[mara-]

Nothing is bulletproof. I don't trust any of the brands today. Quality is declining with each new model.

 

[Brilec]

Pretty well all manufacturers are building to a price these days, cutting corners where they can.

And how do you define a decent warranty? One that the manufacturer actually honours? All vehicles come with one, but there are tremendous variations on the way the manufacturer treats the eventual owner.

 

[Wilf]

The best days of reliability with cars is behind us. Too much complexity now.

 

[sportse]

Its a Toyota 4th generation hybrid, over 20+ years of hybrid innovation & there pretty much bulletproof.

Mechanically they are fine, I’ve owned two myself in the past.

The problem is catalytic converter theft making the cars useless.

I got rid of mine and bought a diesel, check out all the comments here from former loyal Toyota hybrid owners like me who would never buy another:

Catalytic converter theft: how to protect your car

Here is our advice for Toyota owners on what they can do to prevent themselves becoming a victim of catalytic converter theft.

mag.toyota.co.uk

 

[hpc3]

Pretty well all manufacturers are building to a price these days, cutting corners where they can

welcome in 2020´s
literally everything is pushed to maximum eco compliance, so it may fail on you.

 

[Eagleboy]

Just got word from the garage that Peugeot will own up and cover the repair as an extended goodwill warranty.

Looking at this mess from the bright side, at least I'll get the timing belt replaced for free a bit earlier instead of doing it on next scheduled service.

The mechanic said this issue is not uncommon on older 1.2 three cylinder engines. Peugeot apparently has changed the material in the belt on newer units (did not mention any specific year/month).

So be advised: you guys driving 2014 and 2015 308:s maybe should check this.

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Replacing the timing belt does not address the main issue, which is the degradation of the timing belt, and subsequent clogging of the oil strainer etc due to particles entering the oil. This is a design fault and could cause catastrophic engine failure due to loss of oil pressure. I wouldn’t buy a car that used this type of cam belt lubrication, but I suppose many others would argue its case.

 

[hpc3]

i read somewhere, pt turbo does inject much fuel, this is even worse during winter.
probably oil dilution is the root cause.

 

[Brilec]

In which case more frequent oil changes should help.

 

[hpc3]

they called me madman, replacing oil twice a year. (2x 6000km)

i have to admit, ravenol with tungsten vst 5w40 any noise gone. very stout oil.

 

[radar103]

Heres an interesting article See Continental Launches New Timing Belt for Special Citroen and Peugeot Engines

You can buy here See https://www.buycarparts.co.uk/contitech/15809374

I wonder if this resolves all the belt issues or if this is the wider belt that frays on the edges ?

 

[Mr Lee]

Here's ( via a contact in the trade ) is a factory fitted belt before removal from an early 2017 built Puretech 110 with less then 40k miles on - he said it wasn't in good condition & has always had correct spec oil.

Apparently there is now a generation 4 timing belt available from Peugeot & that's what's been fitted to it now.

 

[radar103]

Here's ( via a contact in the trade ) is a factory fitted belt before removal from an early 2017 built Puretech 110 with less then 40k miles on - he said it wasn't in good condition & has always had correct spec oil.

Apparently there is now a generation 4 timing belt available from Peugeot & that's what's been fitted to it now.


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Hi,
Do you have a Peugeot part number for the new built and what years it fits?

 

[Mr Lee]

Hi,
Do you have a Peugeot part number for the new built and what years it fits?

Your local Peugeot dealer parts counter should be able to advise of the latest belt part number to fit your application.

 

[Mr Lee]

Bloke I know with a May 2017 built Purecrap 130 powered 308 has just had to have the oil pick up cleaned & timing belt replaced at 45k miles.

This car fell outside the scope of the JZR recall due to build date.

 

[heia2654]

Hey guys,

Having read each and every post of this horror series last night, the first thing I did in the morning was to remove the oil filler cap. The belt looks fine with a longditunal texture on it (like brushed metal). No signs of chamfering, swelling or crumbling.

Then I took the car to EuroRepar and the mechanic said it was ok too. We havent seen any signs of wear on the bolts so this suggests the belt was never serviced.

The car is 2017MY registered in August. I am guessing engine build date is late April or early May. Not sure which level of belt has been installed. Is there a way to know engine build date?

When manufacturers release an updated part, there is this parameter that sets interchangebility between older and new level parts. In cases like this, the logical thing to do is to decommision the older level and scrap/recycle remaining stock. Though, looking at PSA's stance at this problem, one suspects... This might be the reason behind post-2017MY failures. Even the belt supplier might have thrown in older stock among new.

PSA might have different engine plants and new level belts might have been implemented at different dates.

Not accusing anyone/corporation. Just using my usual skeptical approach as a quality diagnosis engineer for 8 years. Once I had to chase a hose failure for three months, which later turned out to be martens getting a taste of the air ducts... You never know...

Edit: spelling

 

[save2]

Yet another belt revision was released few months ago.

 

[Mr Lee]

Generation 4 is the latest timing belt available from Peugeot parts counter.

 

[KOTD88]

Would the crankshaft failing likely be caused by the timing belt issues? I'm thinking if it was starved of oil with the pump being blocked etc. Mines past the recall width test but I have a knock coming from the bottom end. Strangely the car drives very well with no warning lights, misfires etc.

The car is going back to Peugeot next week for further examination. The free health report that was done at the same time as the belt inspection mentions the belt needs replacing, oil pump examining and picks up on the knock noise and mentions possible new engine.

I'm just trying to pre-empt the fact it could have been caused by anything other than the belt failing (in case Peugeot want to try to pull that one...).

 

[hpc3]

another idea from oil forums....
in general, oxidation of oil makes organic acids, and oil will darken and may go thick. (TAN-acid number goes up)
that´s why oil should have big chemical reserve to neutralise acids (TBN-base number)
i´m afraid b71 2290+b71 2312 oils are weak in this regard.. and the long drain intervals are making it worse..

i was shocked by how fast the total 0w30 goes dark..... i have clean burning lpg so it should not come from fuel.... i tried few oils, but none was this dark so fast.
i now have the mentioned vst 5w40, which has organic tungsten additive. it is strong at lowering friction, and also oil oxidation. (not cheap)

looking at dipstick (greater mileage now), it looks like new.... total was much darker at shorter mileage.
so much for

bull

 

[Vainamoinen]

I just wonder what that wrong grade 5w40 oil make to piston rings, camshaft bearings, turbo and etc. which are designed to work with 0w20 or 0w30 grade olis ?