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308 GTi / RCZ R Alcon brakes alternatives

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#1 ·
Hi All

After being told that my front discs are likely to need to be replaced next year for a fitted cost of £1,750 I thought I would try and find alternatives in readiness... Its been a challenge, Alcon won't discuss the brakes as they have an exclusive deal with Peugeot and I don't think the car is common enough for many after-market suppliers to make them. But i have found two so far:

Tarox - £1,018.80 (inc VAT) for a pair

MTEC Brakes - £750 (inc VAT) for a pair

Both are two piece discs, MTEC said they would also sell just the rotors for £500.

It would be good to hear if anyone has tried either of these alternatives, or if you are aware of any others.

Front TAROX Brake Discs - Peugeot 308 GTI - Bespoke - TAROX Online Store

https://www.mtecbrakes.com/ - Discs are not listed, but seller has confirmed they can make them and the price.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Try contacting Tee @ Comkotes.

https://www.comkotes-tuning.co.uk/contact-us/

he maybe able to help out.

Or phone EBC or Brembo and see if they can help too.

below is the part numbers of the originals if you can source them cheaper.

9812403980 - VENTILATED BRAKE DISC LEFT DIAM 380 EP 32

9812404080 - VENTILATED BRAKE DISC RIGHT DIAM 380 EP 32
 

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#4 ·
Hi i've just acquired a 270hp (200kw) gti, appreciate this post is a bit old, my discs are ok now but will need replacing within next year, but i can find a brembo front disc for this specific model from my reg plate or general search at what we'd consider a normal price?

Brembo Part code 09.C133.11

It isnt a 380mm dia. though its at 304mm.

Im not technically minded, what am I missing?
 
#8 ·
Yeh i know they are 380, thats my point really, i thought ALL 270hp variants were 380 dia. out the factory, and if they all were, then how come brembo offer 270hp variants at a lower diameter!

Interestingly if i goto Peugeot website new discs and pads for my plate are just £199 fitted....try it yourself!
 
#19 ·
Yeh i know they are 380, thats my point really, i thought ALL 270hp variants were 380 dia. out the factory, and if they all were, then how come brembo offer 270hp variants at a lower diameter!

Interestingly if i goto Peugeot website new discs and pads for my plate are just £199 fitted....try it yourself!
Hi,
That is the cost for the standard 308’s. I’ve had a nightmare 3 months with my local Peugeot dealer because my front discs were warping. Eventually agreed a price, date etc to have them replaced ( Parts not available at first!) then they called saying my callipers had seized and needed replacing too!! Total bill circa £3.5k !!!! I told them to stop. Btw my front shocks needed replacement too! 5 year old car 35k, dealer serviced, looked after. Shocking ( no pun) I won’t touch a Peugeot again.
 
#12 ·
I have gone the lengths of Tarox discs and the stainless caliper pistons on mine but I have now got extra vibration on hard braking and have been told that inner pistons are sticking again. Argh! Losing faith in the calipers so has anyone done the 250hp model conversion, willing to share what costs are, also does anyone have a 308gti 250 model and willing to share their reg number as was told that is the easiest way to get the parts ordered. Thanks. PS front brake issues are a disgrace but the rest of the car is - unbelievably good - so reluctant to give up on it.
 
#16 ·
Hi, after making the investment in Tarox and deciding the car was a ‘keeper’, I sent the alcon calipers to Godspeed (who had supplied the stainless pistons), and they rebuilt with all new seals. Then new yellowstuff pads, and all is now well, so turns out that the problem second time around was fried pads from track day sticking to discs, and first time of rebuilding, new seals hadn’t been used. So doing it this way but with getting calipers fully rebuilt first time including labour from local garage would be c £1500, if you feel that is ott then I am sure others have gone for the 250bhp discs plus calipers conversion.
 
#20 ·
All 270 thp are 380 mm that’s the rcz r an 308 gti but 308 gti done a 250 thp that used the front discs from a 200 thp . The difference between the 380 R an 380 gti discs is the bell there is about a 5mm difference in the offset, but there is a solution god speed brakes in Wales make stainless pistons with a seal kit for 290 that don’t rust like the stock ones an they also make the discs an bells to fit the 308 gti but not the rcz r yet .
I have just purchased some new discs from fish brothers Swindon Peogout dealer for 698 for a pair once Iv fitted them in the next week or so with the Godspeed stainless piston kit and mintex pads (30) odd quid I’m sending my old rcz r discs to them so they can make bells an discs for the r as well
Hope this helps
 
#21 ·
Just had my first MOT for my 308GTi, recommended from Peugeot for complete new Discs & Pads as inner pads down to 3mm and discs worn, estimate £1479, for a car that’s had an easy 17k miles. Took the car to my local MOT station , who advised just change pads as disc lipping was normal & not bad, so having pads replaced at the dealer for £389 & expect to do the same in 3 years time. Motto for me is don’t have MOTs at the dealer, do it independently and if I had my choice of car again ( hindsight a wonderful thing) I would have bought a 250 bhp GTi with normal brakes, & comes with a space saver but the problem is trying to find a excellent 1owner 250 bhp GTi !
 
#31 ·
I have a set of new used Genuine Peugeot 308 GTi Alcon pads if anyone is interested. Bit of a story with the pad/discs the front discs warped after 20K miles mostly motorway driving the disc had almost no lip on them and the pads had plenty of meat left on them so not even close to being run out, the dealership confirmed the pad/disc thickness and the amount of warp when they investigated heavy vibration under braking. But not a manufacturing fault it would seem. Both sides were out by slightly different amounts.

I will say under normal driving conditions they are known to last a long time, the cars are light and the brakes are powerful, granted you can add speed very quickly so do need them.

The car was 24 months old but unknown to me Peugeot warranty on discs is 6 months 6000miles so dealership refused to say to Peugeot its a warranty claim as not covered. Interestingly I was told that warped discs are covered by the exteneded warranty so was considering waiting a year and getting them changed under that policy. For what they cost I could buy another car and leave the Pug in the garage.....

I had lengthy discussions with the dealer and Peugeot but the dealership was insisting it was my driving style..... I said how do you drive to get discs to warp? I kid you not I was told if you get them red or white hot you can get them to warp like the F1 Grid at the start of the race by being stationary with my foot on the peddle. Now! I am a seasoned driver lets say and done I would estimate 700K+ miles in my driving career but I have not yet been able to get discs on a road car white hot, faded yes warp no. I said to the dealer 380mm 4 pot Alcon Le Mans inspired "floating discs" should be able to take a bit of stick and I would say almost do some track work. Totally lost on them.

Long story short the lady as Peugeot was less than useless and just kept saying I am not a mechanic I know nothing about cars funny but she works on warranty claims 🤥. After a number of calls with Peugeot directly and escalation to a manager and mentioning the ombudsman a few more calls with the dealer principle dealer Peugeot agreed to replace the discs and Pads free but I needed to pay the £120 to have them fitted. It was £1300 all in i think so worth a few calls.. You can buy the EBC Pads and OEM discs online and get them fitted at a normal garage for £900 with some delivery. Still seems a lot, Godspeed are just undercutting Peugeot on discs but you can get the pads cheaper elsewhere.

I had EBC yellow stuff fitted and kept the OEM pads in the box, EBC less brake dust and much better cold bite I would guess 10% if not more braking power over OEM, I have had EBC discs/pads before Greens and Reds all better than OEM. Reds are the best all round almost no dust and good bite from cold. My guess is the OEM pads have way to much steel in them to keep them quite but that causes increased rota wear and creates load of dust at over £381.87 a side keeping that down is important. Seems to me the steel used to make the discs could be better. I read somewhere they are cast machined by Alcon but not sure about that. I hope not.

I have to say I was given the BS from the dealership that you are lucky to get discs and pads to last 20K, My god what on earth are people doing in these cars. Again poor quality steel and cheap pads fitted at the garage. My partner has a 208 it has front discs the size of a saucer and she managed 40K.

Went on a bit there LOL.

Enjoy........
 
#32 ·
I have a set of new used Genuine Peugeot 308 GTi Alcon pads if anyone is interested. Bit of a story with the pad/discs the front discs warped after 20K miles mostly motorway driving the disc had almost no lip on them and the pads had plenty of meat left on them so not even close to being run out, the dealership confirmed the pad/disc thickness and the amount of warp when they investigated heavy vibration under braking. But not a manufacturing fault it would seem. Both sides were out by slightly different amounts.

I will say under normal driving conditions they are known to last a long time, the cars are light and the brakes are powerful, granted you can add speed very quickly so do need them.

The car was 24 months old but unknown to me Peugeot warranty on discs is 6 months 6000miles so dealership refused to say to Peugeot its a warranty claim as not covered. Interestingly I was told that warped discs are covered by the exteneded warranty so was considering waiting a year and getting them changed under that policy. For what they cost I could buy another car and leave the Pug in the garage.....

I had lengthy discussions with the dealer and Peugeot but the dealership was insisting it was my driving style..... I said how do you drive to get discs to warp? I kid you not I was told if you get them red or white hot you can get them to warp like the F1 Grid at the start of the race by being stationary with my foot on the peddle. Now! I am a seasoned driver lets say and done I would estimate 700K+ miles in my driving career but I have not yet been able to get discs on a road car white hot, faded yes warp no. I said to the dealer 380mm 4 pot Alcon Le Mans inspired "floating discs" should be able to take a bit of stick and I would say almost do some track work. Totally lost on them.

Long story short the lady as Peugeot was less than useless and just kept saying I am not a mechanic I know nothing about cars funny but she works on warranty claims 🤥. After a number of calls with Peugeot directly and escalation to a manager and mentioning the ombudsman a few more calls with the dealer principle dealer Peugeot agreed to replace the discs and Pads free but I needed to pay the £120 to have them fitted. It was £1300 all in i think so worth a few calls.. You can buy the EBC Pads and OEM discs online and get them fitted at a normal garage for £900 with some delivery. Still seems a lot, Godspeed are just undercutting Peugeot on discs but you can get the pads cheaper elsewhere.

I had EBC yellow stuff fitted and kept the OEM pads in the box, EBC less brake dust and much better cold bite I would guess 10% if not more braking power over OEM, I have had EBC discs/pads before Greens and Reds all better than OEM. Reds are the best all round almost no dust and good bite from cold. My guess is the OEM pads have way to much steel in them to keep them quite but that causes increased rota wear and creates load of dust at over £381.87 a side keeping that down is important. Seems to me the steel used to make the discs could be better. I read somewhere they are cast machined by Alcon but not sure about that. I hope not.

I have to say I was given the BS from the dealership that you are lucky to get discs and pads to last 20K, My god what on earth are people doing in these cars. Again poor quality steel and cheap pads fitted at the garage. My partner has a 208 it has front discs the size of a saucer and she managed 40K.

Went on a bit there LOL.

Enjoy........
Hey, well done for perseverance. I tried almost as hard with the dealership in fact I thought on reading your post it was the same dealership but when you got the job done so cheaply I knew it wasn’t lol. It is ludicrous for them to blame driving style. I had exactly the same said to me!
I don’t think you mentioned the calipers? Beware that you can suffer the same warping due to the Alcon/Peugeot caliper pistons rusting and seizing. That it appears is the root cause of the rotors warping and uneven pad wear.