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#1 ·
Hey all.
I'm at a complete standstill amd I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I have a pre facelift 2015 208 gti. Car is on 93k km amd owned it for 2 years now. In 2 years I have had non stop issues all coming down to the fuel system. I have had the hpfp replaced, accelerator pedal replaced, throttle body replaced, bank 1 o2 sensor replaced, ignition coils and sparkplugs replaced and the rocker cover replaced. In the last 9 months I have replaced the spark plugs 5 times. Everytime I seem to remove the plugs amd put them back they throw a missfire code amd the only fix is new spark plugs. So the issue at hand which seems to have gotten worse since getting the car is the over fueling. The car has a slight missfire which did not seem to affect it when I got it bit as time went parts were changed and it's got to a point where it is noticeable especially at idle. The overfueling is very noticeable because of the smell and occasional white smoke from the exhaust. There is also a very pungent fuel smell in the oil. I have also started to get a p2192 code now which refers to high fuel trim on bank 1 I think. I have given up taking the car to peugeot specialists because they change parts and it does not solve the problem. Apart from the above code or a missfire code if I take out the spark plugs I get no eml. The onboard computer tell me that I'm 10km/1l but I would say it's about double that, I used to get close to 600km on a tank. Now I get 200km to 300km but the onboard does not seem to recognize this. I have pulled out the injectors to see if they are working and the selenoids all seem to open and close with power. I would assume that if there was a fuel issue that a sensor would go off which it does not so I'm guessing all sensors are working. I dont know what can be causing this and the peugeot specialists can't seem to find any faults and are just changing parts for no reason. I have noticed that the auxilery water pump does not make a noise anymore so I will investigate but I can't think that it would cause the car to overfuel. My assumption is that any missfire in the car is due to the overfuelling but I may be wrong. I'm at a complete standstill and dread having to drive anywhere because I don't know if I'm going to get stuck. I would appreciate any input to try amd guid me in the right direction. TY
 
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Just a side note. For the past few weeks I have noticed that if I dont accelerate harshly I get less smoke. Also, the less the car stands at idle the better my chances of not getting an engine fault error. So I have been monitoring and have not had an error at all although while at a traffic light I can hear and see how the car idles rough. While driving, if I release the accelerator regardless of what gear I get popping from the exhaust which to me indicates unburned fuel.
 
#22 ·
I finally managed to pull my engine apart. I have taken the injectors out and tested resistance. I can't seem to find the spec on them but I get 1.3ohm all across so I'm guessing it's probably right. I have checked resistance on wiring and continuity and all seems to be ok. All sensors seem to be ok too. I will test for leakage on the injectors tomorrow as last time I checked amd all selenoids were working. My o2 sensor before the cat was replaced in June so I think I'll pull the one behind the cat and see if it's maybe dirty. I seem to have picked up another issue on the auxilary water pump so I'll attempt to check that while it's all open. I'm a bit stumped to be honest because all readings seem to be good thus far. It really makes no sense to me.
Sorry it took so long, just needed time to get stuck in but I do appreciate all the advice you have given.
 
#20 ·
(7) Injectors
Haynes does not show resistance test from pin one of injector to pin two. I would get that as well and compare them / have a baseline for the future.
For nearly all Peugeot engines, piston one is nearest the gearbox, unlike most other manufacturers where it is to the front of the engine.
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#18 ·
Ok so took both out amd cleaned. The map I included pics of before amd after, just had some oil on, no other debris. Maf was still clean but sprayed it again just to make sure. I attached a pic of the sample obd app I use while the car was idling after putting both sensors back, doubt it will tell you much but was worth a shot.
 

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#17 · (Edited)
(6) Fuel Pump
FUEL TANK FUEL GAUGE (ssg.asia) looking at item (2)
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While this is always electrical testing out, you should consider fuel filter, well before this point, because these can cause issue, more likely to cause leaning out issue, sometimes it becomes a case of stranger things. I note from the diagram on ssg.asia that external tank has one, but didn't immediately see one for internal tank version, this suggests to me, it might be part of the tank pump assembly in some vehicles and not sure which one you have.

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When running this test, specifically 208-5fu-m3-p03-png - listen to the noise from the pump, should be steady and even RPM sound, if it isn't this, then suspecting the pump mechanism is worn and replacement is a good idea. Also consider it may have internal filter and this issue, not unheard (seen this on other vehicles) to have mechanical issue like hose split inside the tank too. Against this advice, is that logic says should lean things out.

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Next up is each injector, but my wife also needs time... so this is a fair amount to get you started.

Hope you find this useful.
 
#5 ·
Wow, I was not expecting a detailed response like this so thank you.
The strange this is that I get the code usually at standstill which also makes no sense as it's "high load" error.
If you are happy to help me out I will appreciate it. I can test whatever needs to be tested. Really appreciate your help.
 
#4 ·
PEUGEOT 208 1.6 THP GTi EP6CDTX (5FU) 2012 - Onwards

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It's a long list of things it could be, we can narrow this if you can use multimeter and the order from likely to least likely but still possible. You also need to consider the testing will look at upstream causes that the list below will not. The devil is always in the details.

DTC P2192 System too rich at higher load (bank 1)
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Your OEM part numbers and exploded views are here, VF3CA5FU8EW048828 (ssg.asia)
Vehicle characteristics
Model:208
Body:3-DOOR HATCHBACK
Engine:INJECTION EP6CDTX
Transmission:BVM6

What would you like to do from here, it takes time to produce the information for testing, and I'm happy to this if you're happy to dig in and find the source issue.
Things Haynes, hasn't considered will be bad fuel filter. I would start with this, even if it is new, you can get cheap or even expensive ones, that just don't work well.
 
#7 ·
I just replaced the fuel filter and spark plugs about a week ago thinking maybe it was an issue. Spark plugs because I got missfire on cylinder 1. Spark plugs were previously done in May. O2 sensor was replaced in June. It's bank 1 I'm guessing, the one before the cat.