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Car dies suddenly

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Hello guys, i come to you with a very mindboggling problem.
2 weeks ago i got this car, Peugeot 508 2015, automatic 2.0BlueHdi 180cp AHW
The first week everything was fine, but then the problem started:
At random, engine off or on, the car dies, not only the engine, but like the electricity is stopped for all of the electronics.
Key fob doesn't work, nothing electrical works. If i remove the positive terminal from the battery, it comes to life and sometimes it goes well some time, or maybe after i get in the car to start it, it dies again
On the Diagbox i get the following errors:
P0215-Principal Relay control - Relay stuck
P1AA2- Voltage retaining device - Internal electronics fault - open circuit or short circuit.
I don't know if these errors appear because i remove the positive terminal or if that is the problem, but all the errors clear just fine. I can't read error codes when it dies because it's like the battery is removed from the car.
Thanks all for any tips and help, i am at the end of my knowledge with this error.
The battery it's less than 1 year old, and i think even if it was bad, with engine on, it shouldn't kill everything in the car.
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Discussion starter · #3 ·
I'm not a specialist but I have been working a lot with the electrical system of this vehicle a lot. The "Built-in System Interface" (BSI1) that it is showing that it is losing connection is that fusebox to the left, below the steering wheel. That fusebox is connected to the ignition system, lights, radio... So, if it goes down, all the things that you mentioned are non-functional anymore. Ultimately, the cause of those issues seem to be that BSI1 loses power, in other terms, voltage gets to 0v. A short-circuit, a broken line that connects intermittently or a relay could be at fault. So let me start from the battery:
  1. You told that the battery is fine. Do you need to recharge after the car dies?
    1. If yes, we have to take a look at the alternator. Maybe it is stopping to work at some point.
    2. If not, which I think its the case, then we move on.
  2. Are the battery terminals corroded? Are they positioned correctly? Are all the bolts correctly placed on the terminals (tightened)?
    1. Just checking :D
  3. Above the battery, there is a fuse box. On that fusebox, 2 wires go to the BSI1 connected to the F2 fuse and the F4. So, F2 goes straight from the positive of the battery to BSI1. It is used for all the things that need power all the time. The F4 has a relay between the battery and it and is only powered when you turn on the car with the key.
    1. We could check a few things here. First, check fuses.
    2. Second, if you have a multimeter, next time it shuts off, check the voltage at F2 and F4. That will help us determine where is the problem. I believe the problem is here and it will be F2 = 12 to 13v and F4 = 0v. If that happens, the relay could be the issue.
    3. If both F4 and F2 don't have voltage, something is wrong if the battery fusebox or the battery cables and terminals.
    4. If both F4 and F2 has voltage, then it means that the problem is after the battery fusebox. That could be caused by a failing wire (shorting to ground or severed), something that is shorting on the car, or a relay on BSI1.
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  4. There is also a device in the car that has the task to manage the battery. But on that, I don't know its inner workings. If we reach this point, I can study a little bit more.
Let me know the results of your investigation and we keep brainstorming.
Thanks for the reply.
1: No need to charge the battery, just disconnecting/reconnecting.
I have cleaned both terminals of the battery, but it's strange as it does the same with engine on, so the alternator should take the load.

3: I will try to replicate the fault and start measuring, i do have a range of voltmeters as i am an electrician myself, but automotive it's so different lol

You say f2 would be 12-13v and F4 0v, wouldn't that mean that i will have power delivered to something even tho f4 is 0v?
I repeat, nothing has power, i have tryed every single button and function.
I will measure everything you mentioned and hopefully i will find something useful.
I will comeback after the measurements to update
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
Yes, there are things that are connected straight to the battery positive terminal. Those things are not apparent though (like lights or buttons) and its hard to determine what should function after a failure like that. There is a lot of electronics on every device, so even if something is powered, it does not mean it is going to function.
If the problem is not on that relay, then it could be on the voltage retaining device. I would need some time to investigate that myself in order to help :D
We'll see if i can replicate the fault, prepared my tools and trying to replicate it now
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
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Cleaned everything with contact cleaner, checked all the bolts to be tight, now I'll wait the contact cleaner to dry out and do a bsi reset procedure

I bet they changed the battery and left behind loose bolts.