Before complaining about range, I suggest you to see the recent posts around this very topic. It's not that hard to find them, they are literally in the very first page.

The mileage system is a predictive one for both petrol and electric engines. Most of the reduction in range is due to a bad initialization the car does everytime you start the engine. It's a pure software issue. If you make loads of short trips this goes even worse.

You need to switch to Sport everytime you start your journeys and switch to hybrid after the stats on display are equalized. Long story short, when the stats finally appear (usually after 3min of driving) they don't start from 0 up but from max down. It takes a good drive to bring them down to the real consumption and this is impacting the predictive mileage.

Example. You drive 10miles. For the first mile, the car records 30/50kwh Then the stat starts to drammatically decrease coming close to real consumption. But in the meantime you have already driven most of your 10 miles. Arrived to your destination, you turn off your car and de facto leaving that as record. Few mins later you start it again (and the stats are back at the top 30/50kwh) to drive back and the whole error restarts making things even worse.

If you start in sport the electric stats won't be effected and the consumption will drammatically decrease (cause you are not driving in electric at all!) Once reached 10/15kw (5min or around 2miles) switch to electric or hybrid. The stats will record the 10miles journey properly giving you a more realistic mileage.

What peugeot needs to fix is the stats starting from top down. It's unrealistic that I'm using so much power the first few mins of driving at 50miles/hr. In motoways on pure electric at 120miles/hr it goes to 18/20kwh max! So starting at 30kwh in a town road going at 50miles/hr is absolutely wrong.

The trick I explained won't fix the error but will fix the mileage. With the cold weather and everything I'm at 90km full charge.

 

When showing fully charged it is anywhere between 9-22 miles on the display before I start my journey that is it after being on charge overnight in an integral garage at home. So cold weather is not an issue. It was also stating the same a few months back in the warm weather, the whole point in getting this vehicle is my round trip to work and home was less than 30 miles but I am getting less than half of that. I had a proper home charger fitted at £1600.00 paid a fortune for the car I wish I just went petrol now as the extra weight of carrying dud batteries on my short journeys with this vehicle is a joke, Peugeot won’t admit it’s an advertising bomb shell and try and pass the Blame on the driver and the weather and other road factors. The car is total waste of 43k and the other money I have spent at home, never get one again, the salesman don’t tell you this and push the fact it’s a great car for short journeys running on pure electric. But buyers beware it’s a sham !

 

What is a sham is buyers buying with very little understanding of what they are buying.
The car is not perfect but:

A) The car is a hybrid. IS NOT MEANT TO BE USED AS full eletric. If you do you will actually ruin the car.

B) Hybrids have their ways of being driven. I suggest you to read some posts here to help you out.

C) I said it already. If the car doesn't allow you to have a good electric range it's ALSO your fault. Not saying the car might not be faulty but I'm telling you it is likely you can turn things around if you do as I told you.

I bought this car last March and it took me a good few months to get most out of it. It's not the perfect car, but defo the range software allows for things to look very bad. I suggest you to try my technique for 10 days. Then come back here and tell me if the range hasn't gone up (even in winter time)

 

i guess with your replies and condemnation of my driving ability are you connected to Peugeot in anyway ? I was told it is ok to drive in full electric mode as this is default eveytime you start the car by the salesman, there is nothing contradictory to that on Peugeot website or brochure to say you cannot drive that way. So the fact of you saying this seems somewhat of a get out clause trying to deter the fact that Peugeot have got this hybrid4 all wrong. And make others aware it’s not the cars poor build ability it’s also down to driver ability. I am amongst many hundreds if not thousands who feel cheated and let down by Peugeot and won’t hold their selves accountable for this red herring !

 

Just a snippet from Peugeots own marketing web and literature
so as far as I am aware and informed by Peugeot salesman driving in 100% electric is fine,


CHOICE OF DRIVING MODE
Electric: allows for 100% electric* driving
Hybrid: alternation of electric and internal combustion engine driving to optimise the use of energies
Sport: uses all of the power of internal combustion and electric engines (depending on the HYBRID or HYBRID4 version) for maximum dynamic performance
4WD**: for improved traction (4WD)
*The Electric mode is activated by default when the car starts**Only available on HYBRID4

 

First and foremost I never mentioned your driving ability, so you can take that home, thank you very much.

I don't work for peugeot, I'm not a car dealer and defo I'm not an expert in cars. I've been learning a lot about this car since it decided to switch.(months before I bought it)

I've read what you wrote in all your posts, and it's clear you didn't do your homework. Of course the car can be driven 100% electric. Is it the best for the car? NO. BECAUSE IT'S A HYBRID! It means the fuel engine and the components to sustain fuel driving need to be switched on often! If you don't constantly use the fuel mechanics often you will ruin the car. If you don't know what I'm talking about, inform yourself.

What dealers tell you is their responsibility. What you believe it's yours. You should have done your research about buying a hybrid (plug in) and what entails. If there were "thousands of people" like you said who had your problem, this car would be our of the market.

Your replies are full of anger and disappointment and I understand that, but if you don't see where this is ALSO your fault, there is very little that will change for you. And that's your choice as well

 

I think you should do some homework and read the others with the same issues.? YES I AM DISSAPOINTED IN PEUGEOT NOT BEING ACCOUNTABLE AND YOU SEEM TO BE ON THERE SIDE
WHICH MAKE ME QUESTION WHO IS YOUR EMPLOYER ? sorry but i am Peeved off for spending out just under £45k for a car that does not do what it is supposed to do. its not on finance or leased purchase, it was an outright cash purchase, if i now look to trade this in, the price offered is a Joke, the amount of money lost after 7 months hurts,


A) The car is a hybrid. IS NOT MEANT TO BE USED AS full eletric. If you do you will actually ruin the car. NOT TRUE CAR CAN BE DRIVEN IN FULL 100% AS PER PEUGEOT MARKETING AND SALES PITCH SEE EARLIER SNIPPETT POSTED.

B) Hybrids have their ways of being driven. I suggest you to read some posts here to help you out. AS ABOVE I DRIVE TO THE FULL ELECTRIC RANGE AND THEN ALLOW VEHICLE TO SWITCH TO HYBRID ON LONGER JOURNEYS, OTHER THREADS HAVE THE SAME ISSUE, VEHICLE WILL NOT CHARGE TO PUBLISHED RANGE, ( I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DRIVE HARD AND FAST THAT WILL REDUCE, BUT IT WONT CHARGE BACK TO THE CLAIMED 39MILES)

C) I said it already. If the car doesn't allow you to have a good electric range it's ALSO your fault. Not saying the car might not be faulty but I'm telling you it is likely you can turn things around if you do as I told you. WHY MY FAULT ? I AM DOING WHAT PEUGEOT ADVERTISE AND ADVISE IN THE SHOWROOM, I AM DRIVING THE SAME STYLE AS WHEN THE VEHICLE IS NEW, THE ONLY THING HAS CHANGED IS THE CARS FULL CHARGE ABILITY

 

Calm down..
Are you here to solve the problem or to vent?
I don't work for peugeot so I'm not here to read about your anger and being paid by them.

I'm trying to make you understand the car is a hybrid. If you do as i told you, you will get the best version of the car you bought. Why didn't you buy the 2008 full electric? You wouldn't be in this predicament. The hybrid MUST to be driven regularly using the fuel engine! Otherwise the 12v battery, the oil system and some other will go in the bin quite soon and you will face other issues and warnings on display.

The car can go on full electric for full trips and in areas where is required but it cannot stay in electric 247. So peugeot didn't lie at all saying it can be driven in full electric.

Now, are you ready to let go the rant and start fixing your driving so you will get the 39miles??

 

Ross,
Trying to do both, vent so others don't make the mistake of getting a car that is not as advertised and obviously a red herring for Peugeot, but also trying to get the best from a what is a duff model/spec which is difficult to accept after paying all this money, will take your ideas on board and try that but seems a pointless exercise, if i cannot get the full charge of 39miles i will try and make best use of the 9-20 average fully charged range in miles it offers, which defeats my decision to purchase and overall objective, as regarding the 12v battery the salesman said to me if you run in EV mode, eventually the 12v battery will know that it getting low and will not allow the vehicle to proceed unless in starts in hybrid or sport to re-charge the 12v system, This has happened about 3 times after the first 3-4 months of use, apart from then it has never displayed a message saying anything about the 12v battery being low, but then most of my journeys now are a mixture as i cant complete in EV mode only and therefore the 12v battery gets charged daily, anyway Rant over i will just keep on at the Peugeot Dealer until they sort this out (I dont hold out for any hope here), i am also speaking/communicating with the ombudsman and also taking legal advise as i feel i have been mis sold. apologies if i said you work for Peugeot and you don't as you say, but all the technicians and communication i am having with them, They are saying there is nothing wrong with the car, which i know and many others are feeling the same views it is all about the car and not operator.
regards
Legin52.

 

Up to you.
I explained why the car is doing that to you.
If you want to try the method good, if you want to ger rid of the car that's also your right.

 

Up to you.
I explained why the car is doing that to you.
If you want to try the method good, if you want to ger rid of the car that's also your right.

In regards to the 12v under bonnet battery I can say for certain that mine gets charged both when running in electric mode and when charging the traction battery. Mine is the 508 hybrid, which is said to be the same system as the 3008 hybrid (single motor). I have measured the battery voltage to be about 14.7 volts during engine run, traction battery ready and when charging. I think I measured the 12 v battery in the boot also but can’t quite remember. During lockdowns with minimal driving I had to charge both mine and my wife’s 208 else the keyless unlocking would fail, before I changed from the 508 mkII 225 petrol to the 508 hybrid, but with the hybrid only the 208 needs recharging when not being driven enough. As for the 39miles rated range I believe it is the software that is limiting the charge/discharge mileage to around 20% of 39 as a minimum and 80% of 39 maximum charge (give or take and taking driving style and cold weather into account) in order to preserve battery life and enable them to offer 7 years warranty. I still think they chose a poorly rated battery design regarding poor cold weather range though.

 

I think Ross3008 has good and valid point, its a hybrid. You cant use it like a full electric car, if so you should have bought one. My car is one year old, got it in December last year. And I got my 60 km in the summer in Electric mode, and half of that now in wintertime. And thats ok for me, my fuelcosts hade been reduced by 50 % compared to my old Vw Golf Alltrack and I have such a fun car to drive, love the overtake situations. And the 4 wd in winter are doing its jobb.

And I take the car regurly on longer trips. So my first year as a owner (23000 km) of Peugeot 3008 Hybrid 4 has been a Joy.

To do list is to test the Ross3008 technique for range improvment.

 

I understand what you and Ross stated but then Peugeot need to train their staff accurately and also revise literature and web site regarding this. As i am not the only one with this issue, your vehicles are the exception. Anyway my vehicle has been with them now for 10 days and they seem to accept there is an issue with it. So watch this space 😙

 

Hi,

Interested to see how you get on, I drive in hybrid mode about town, and the results have been poor over the past year. Delivered new with 30 plus electric mileage range in Jan 22. Dropped to 8 to 12 after full charge, and only increased to max 23 miles over warmer summer time. Did have garage look at it in the summer. They applied a fix, hopefully, but made no noticeable difference, Now back down to 8 to 12 miles fully charged, driving around town in hybrid mode. Have switch many electrical components off, and use electric heated seats only, supposedly best efficient way to heat. Having it serviced in January 2023, and have asked it to be looked at again. Noticed many owners are experiencing similar issues with the Hybrid4, with 13 fixes applied to try and address issue.

Barry

 

Reading this thread with interest having taken delivery of a 3008 hybrid this week. Clearly there are big problems with the electric range and there are multiple posts about it here and elsewhere.

I bought mine for similar reasons to the original poster. My daily commute is 12 miles each way across the city and I’m hoping that I can do that in electric mode and charge each night. As I’m off work this week I have not yet tried this.

I have not invested in a rapid charger at home yet - the slow 5 hour charge from a charger plugged in to a standard domestic socket in the garage is fine.

I have read Ross’ advice and don’t fully understand it but that is most certainly not what you should have to do in order to get full electric range - that is clearly a work around to overcome what is faulty or badly written software. Furthermore, a hybrid is absolutely designed to be driven in full electric mode and you will most certainly not ruin it by doing so. The fact that you can do so and that the majority of most people’s daily trips is within the electric range is a major selling point, along with the fact that the engine is there as a back up if you’re unable to charge it or for longer journeys. Many people including myself buy plug in hybrids for these reasons especially given that the public charging infrastructure in this country is is not yet sufficiently established for many people to be comfortable with a full electric vehicle. It is probably wise to run the engine once every couple of weeks or so but that is true of a traditional ICE.

I fully understand the effect of driving style on range as well as the use of heating/air con, radio, kids plugging in their iPads etc. One thing I’m uncertain about - presumably even if the range is showing less than it should be after a full charge for the reasons Ross has said, the battery is actually fully charged and so you should be able to increase these range with careful driving. If not then either the battery is not reaching full charge or the software is limiting electric range despite charge still being present - either way that is clearly a fault in the design.

 

The software is buggy for sure. Customers should not circumvent the system to fix it. Never said the opposite. But a hybrid car SHOULD NOT and is not meant to be driven CONSTANTLY in full electric. If you do, you know very little about cars im afraid

 

Maybe we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’m not an expert on cars but I know enough and researched plug in hybrid vehicles extensively before buying one. They are supposed to be driven continuously in electric mode if you are driving within their electric range. Obviously this is much more limited than a full electric vehicle. Please see the two screenshots below from Peugeot’s own website which suggest that, for most people, most daily journeys can be done completely electric with one overnight charge - this was also the advice of the dealer.

 

Totally agree with what you say I was told exactly the same, I could of got up to 39 miles range daily on pure electric subject to driving ability and conditions, NO WAY WAS I INFORMED YOU CANNOT DRIVE IN ELECTRIC AT ALL TIMES.
and now seen my full charge range depleted to a absurd range, why should we have to adapt and fudge the car system which is obviously a manufacturing fault and they should admit it’s an error and recall them and fix and not lie or hide behind the technical bull the service Department try to put the blame on to the driver / weather / driving style ?
I was due a call before Xmas on an update on mine even though they are open between Xmas and new year nothing still ? I have a courtesy car (petrol) and not bothered good MPG as much better than my faulty Hybrid4 of about 9-12 miles electric and 22 mpg on fuel. !

 

Hello all, I have the 225bhp 3008 phev and i must say on following Ross's advice the charge mileage seems to be improving. I have driven like Miss Daisy since i had it, started off at 39m fully charged but now between 12 and 15.

I thimk the charge indicator is just that. The mileage it states is irrelevant, as i normally get 45 to 50 miles in hybrid mode, or as i call it assisted mode.

 

Hello all, I have the 225bhp 3008 phev and i must say on following Ross's advice the charge mileage seems to be improving. I have driven like Miss Daisy since i had it, started off at 39m fully charged but now between 12 and 15.

I thimk the charge indicator is just that. The mileage it states is irrelevant, as i normally get 45 to 50 miles in hybrid mode, or as i call it assisted mode.

I'm not sure how you can only get 45-50 miles in hybrid mode - your range should only be limited by the amount of fuel in your tank. Unless you mean the battery shows zero charge after 45-50 miles? Once the battery is zero the car remains in hybrid mode (since there is no engine only mode) and from what I've observed it then acts as a mild hybrid, regaining some charge from regenerative braking and providing mild assistance on moving off or going down hill etc.

As has been mentioned in other threads, if you use the satnav and drive in hybrid the car will use the battery in such a way that it reaches zero at the end of your journey (obviously not if your journey is shorter than the electric only range). I did this driving around 170 mile on Christmas eve and was impressed by how accurate it was - it reached zero just a few hundred metres from my destination. Presumably this should work out to be the most economical way of driving - no idea if that is definitely the case.

 

What you are doing is only fixing/fudging a manufacturing defect the vehicle is advertised and sold as driving short distances up to advertised range on pure electric and the vehicle does not do this now, initially it did but after a short while the charge and range has declined dramatically and therefore Peugeot need to hold their hands up and admit it’s a fault, take on board your ways around it to make it slightly better but why spend all this money on something that does not do as sold.

 

Agree, and whilst Ross' advice may somehow make the numbers look better, the whole idea makes no sense if you want to maximise your electric range. Using sport mode you get impressive performance and acceleration, but it does so by using both the engine and electric motor and is by far the worst mode to drive in for fuel or electric economy! With just over a week of ownership the highest range I've got on a full charge is 24 miles and this has been enough to get me to work and back and is also enough for short trips to the supermarket etc. I've switched into hybrid mode a couple of times for slightly longer journeys but the fuel gauge and predicted range has not moved, so overall I'm happy with this. The financial argument for buying this car was that the slight increase in monthly payments (on PCP finance) compared to what I was paying for the 2019 petrol 3008 that it replaced was more than outweighed by the savings achieved by rarely having to fill up with fuel. Those savings are already much more marginal now compared to when I ordered it at the start of the year due to rising energy costs and if the electric range drops any lower as appears to have happened with others over time then this car will make no financial sense for me at all.

What I'm still unsure of is what the numbers mean. If it is just a predicted range that then adjusts according to driving style and remaining charge in the battery (which is exactly what happens with the predicted fuel range) then I don't really mind what it says as it should just let you keep driving and update the remaining range accordingly until the battery has been exhausted. However if the software is limiting the car, eg by telling it that it can only do 18 miles and then making it switch to hybrid even though there is still enough charge in the battery to do another 10 or more on electric alone, or by limiting the battery from reaching full charge in the first place, then that is clearly a design issue. The many posts here and elsewhere that I've read suggest that it is one of the latter.

 

Latest update on my hybrid4 even Peugeot dealer in ideal conditions +14deg are only able to get vehicle to charge to max 21 miles after numerous test and advise from Peugeot, and when driven by engineer with no air con or lights or wipers sat nav just pure steady driving the range they achieve is much less than this. Peugeot have asked they try another fix ! and report back again,
so it seems they are taking on board that there are issues. They have asked to keep the car again for another 7 days.
they can keep for good as far as I am concerned ! I also asked and confirmed about driving in pure electric mode and they stated that is how the car is advertised and designed to be driven for short daily journeys,however it would need to go to petrol/hybrid occasionally to charge the 12v battery. So earlier comments about driving hybrids from others that they cannot be driven in pure electric I take no notice of. As in the words of ELVIS, RETURN TO SENDER !, money back I hope or compensation of funds to cover my additional fuel costs I will inherit while owning this, and the promise they will buy it back as the re-sale will be worthless, when I come to part company, let’s hope the money back is the option.
ps HAPPY NEW YEAR,

 

The more you all write the more it's obvious you have literally no clue about Hybrids or EVs or cars in general.

Hybrids should not EVER be driven constantly in full electric. PERIOD. I won't even bother to explain it again cause obviously you didn't do (and keep not doing it) your homework before come here and complaining.

Let me give you a hint tho. You might eventually understand why your need to admit you know litte about Hybrids: BATTERIES VS COLD and FUEL ENGINE AND COMPONENTS MANTAINENCE.

I understand you are bitter because the whole situation but ignorance and stubbornness won't help you either way. Hope your cars are really malfunctioning so you get a free way out. At least you will be out of here. And if you do STAY AWAY FROM THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW!

 

Loud, rude and wrong

 

I am giving you the facts direct from Peugeot own salesman and service department and advertising literature? who are we more likely to believe ? This is the information myself and may others have used when considering and purchasing this car, Yes i am aware that you think you have found away around the poor EV range by driving and starting the car in a different mode, but then everyone should be aware of the fact this is only fudging the system from what you are told by Peugeot, also i can only see you and one other only have seen better results, what about the many other hundreds possibly thousands who haven't, these current owners and potentially new owners should be made aware of this, Maybe you are the one who is giving out false hopes to others with the same issues and maybe you should speak directly to Peugeot for clarification and get your facts right before slandering my own and others comments. I am not being ignorant or stubborn but when spending over £40+k for a car that does not do as advertised and also discussed by the salesman, others should be made aware of the fact. every time i give feedback you come back with saying we are all driving Hybrids wrong, maybe you would like to do as earlier suggested speak to Peugeot directly and put them straight !! Happy New year

 

Please see attachment from Peugeot explaining about Hybrids and plug in Hybrids and how they can be driven, This is what the majority of owners see and read to make their choice.
Feel free to speak direct to Peugeot and tell them they are wrong.

 

I’m not sure what Ross’ agenda is and don’t want to get into silly arguments but unless he can prove that he has in depth technical knowledge - eg he is an engineer who has worked on the design of hybrid vehicles- then I will just discount what he is saying. The idea that a plug in hybrid vehicle should not be driven in full electric mode for everyday short journeys that are within it’s designed range and then charging it every night goes against the advertising of every single PHEV manufacturer I have looked at as well as discussions about the pros and cons of PHEVs on major car forums. In fact this is the whole point of PHEVs - electric usage for most daily journeys and back up of the engine for long journeys. He has also demonstrated that he does not fully understand the vehicle himself by saying that sport mode uses no electric power, both in this thread and another, when actually it combines both the engine AND electric motor for maximum performance!

Anyway, 24 miles on the gauge for me this morning after full charge and 13 left after driving 12 miles to work with climate control maintaining temp at 20 having used the preconditioning function, lights, intermittent wipers and radio on. Not as advertised, not particularly cold day either, but not too bad I suppose.

@Legin52 - will be interested to see what happens with yours after more time with the dealer.

 

You Must be the only ones that understands then and gets it !!, and if it works for you good luck, but for the majority of others it does not FACT.

Like when you say you fill your petrol tank up it will show full and offer you the max predicated mileage possible before setting of, of around 397 miles, what would you say if you filled your tank up with fuel then and that predicated range only said 150 miles before setting off ? would you not think something is wrong ? or just accept it. and then also only achieve less miles as well dependant on your driving ability, that's what all our issues are about but in the Electric.
when you charge your battery up to full and it use to show from new up to between 34-39 mile range, but after a few months that fully charge range is only showing between 12-20 miles when full and fully charged and you achieve less than that when driving carefully, their is obviously a serious issue.
Again glad it works for you, But we are all driving and using these vehicles as advertised and advised by Peugeot.
The car is a Hybrid we all know that thank you for reminding us again !, but as advised by Peugeot, This can be driven as pure electric as well for journeys, and the majority of us who committed to purchasing this car who have a daily commute of under 39 miles that is why we went for this option of vehicle to use on pure EV. The hybrid is there for longer journeys if required.

 

As I said before, I don't work for peugeot and to be honest if anyone believes I have an agenda only because I'm stating a fact on Hybrid cars, again this shows your lack of understanding. Nothing else.

For the sake of argument, I checked the pdf. Thank you for posting it. I agree the note should mention or have a *where it says: "due to fuel engine & it's component it's not recommended to drive constantly in electric as this might damage parts of the system that are not regularly used).

A hybrid car has components for both driving styles. No one can prevent customers to drive in full eletric only. After all the modality is there. Is it good to have, yes. Is it wise to drive only in electric NO.

This is because the car is a hybrid and relays on drivers using all components regularly. Do you actually know the damage you do to a petrol car if not using it? Imagine now using it but only in full electric. You could spare yourself from the full risk of having a car parked in the garage for a year, but you will still face risks of not using fuel components regularly.

Under this perspective, the car was built to be hybrid not full electric only. This is why the range is low compared to full EV. And let's not getting into the whole plug in (which is driving this whole confusion). I think it would have been better for customers to have it as self charging. Then we could truly talk about engineering issues with this car.

 

 

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Again, do you know how a car actually works????
They don't specify DO USE FUEL AS WELL for the sake of the car. Bad on them.

You don't know you should not use it in full electric ALL THE TIME. Bad on you.

So turn it as you want, it's on both you and them.

This is not a cell phone. It's a car. You don't buy it as it's badly advertised. You educate yourself before anything else.


I wish you can resolve your issues with the car and have them taking it back because obviously there is: 1. Something bad with your unit or 2. Not the right car for you.

But i hope this teaches you a lesson (to you and to all of us) to do a lot of research before buying a 40k+ car