1.5 BHDI

Hey guys was just woundering if any one has had any trouble with these new 1.5 engine's.. this week i have had major trouble with two of them.. 1 had 30,000 miles and broke chain between the 2 camshafts and another with only 49 mile has put the piston out throw the block.. love to hear if any 1...

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There was also one other guy mentioning the fleet of 1.5 HDI and almost all having this issue, but I can not find the post.

 

The article is worth reading in English via translation.

 

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Hello, I recently came across an article from a French journalistic publication, in which they describe a problem with the camshaft chain in these engines. They even show where the problem is and how to solve it. There are also part numbers which are defective and which do not cause problems. Has anyone had such problems? Have you heard of this defect? Do you think there could be a service campaign? " Peugeot, Citroën, DS, Opel. Problème de casse sur le 1.5 diesel (DV5) I have this now on 2019 peugeot partner snapped chain

 

2019 peugeot partner

 

This is from a post of Feb 5, 2023

Imprinted on the front of the camshaft cover to the right of the oil filler cap.

9812647280:
-7 mm chain

9830580480:
-8 mm chain
-upgraded chain tensioner
-upgraded exhaust valves

 

Hello,
do you know when was the "new" chain introduced to the engine?
I am looking 308 T9 1.5 hdi 2021 year. I am interested is new chain in that car

 

Hi - I have just posted on here, I have a 2018 3008 1.5 blue hdi with 65k miles and the cam chain has just shattered my engine. Did you challenge peugeot at all?

 

HI lynnem.
That sound ominous as i have just recently put my vin in the online checker, and it's come back as no recalls, it is 2021 BlueHDi 1.5 diesel.

I think it's time i took this into my own hands and get the timing belts & chain done, before any damage occurs.

 

If you use Chrome for your browser then when you're on the French site you can use the built-in translation service. Right click more-or-less anywhere on the French text and choose the 'Translate to English' option. Simples.

 

It seems like there has been issues with the 7 mm chain and/or the corresponding chain tensioner.

PSA has upgraded these engines with a 8 mm chain and an upgraded tensioner.

 

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hi did they upgrade it on rifter 2023 models to 8mm ?

 

When your chain snapped did you get any warning signs, eg, rattling, was it on a cold start or during driving etc, has engine being getting noisier prior to snap, was it serviced on time every year

 

Hi - literally nothing! No lights, sounds, alerts, warnings, nothing. The car had been parked for about 1hr on a cool (but not cold) afternoon. The car has had a regular service. I started the engine, there was a noise and it cut out and that was it - knackered engine!

 

Have you contacted Peugeot about this known issue?

 

yes and so far they have been dismissive. I'm trying to find the TSB relating the problem as stated in this article but I'm struggling Peugeot, Citroen, DS, Opel. 1.5 (DV5) Diesel Breakdown Problem

 

I think it is designed to "only" break the lifter arms and thus saving the pistons and valves from colliding.

If this is the case, then it should be possible to replace the lifter arms and the chain and chain tensioner.

It is still an expensive job though.

 

Hi - it has damaged the camshafts, chain, valves, head, loads and rockers - getting a full breakdown from the mechanic. The parts are of a 4-5 month backlog so my only way forward is a replacement engine 😪

 

Here is the TSB for said issue which Peugeot are still not admitting to, Hope this helps.

My engine is one of those affected and I have asked Peugeot what is the warranty should mine break, and their response is the is no recall and no issue.

Technical Service Bulletin (TSB)
part number	B1AW0144Q0
date	25/04/2023	version	19
Cancel and replace the document of 27/03/2023
vehicles affected	308 (T9) AND EURO 6.2 ENGINE EMISSION CONTROL AND DV TYPE ENGINE UNTIL RPO 15757
CUSTOMER SYMPTOM	The engine will not start - Disruption to or offsetting of the camshaft drive chain setting - The engine starts but is not functioning correctly - Presence of noise around the camshaft drive chain setting - Air or combustion counter-pressure noise in the air inlet manifold
ORIGIN	Camshaft drive chain broken

CONDITIONS IN WHICH FAULT APPEARS
On starting the engine
Service Action
Check :

• De l’état de la chaîne d’entraînement des arbres à cames
• Du tendeur de la chaîne d’entraînement des arbres à cames

Reading of the fault codes.
Analysis of the condition of the components.
Identification of the type of camshaft drive chain fitted to the internal combustion engine.
Repair and modernisation or replacement of the internal combustion engine depending on the condition of the combustion chambers.
Check of the engine management ECU software version.
Downloading of the latest engine management ECU software (if necessary).
1. Parts required
1 Camshaft kit (Part No. 16 381 598 80).
8 Inlet valves (Part No. 98 141 524 80 ) (if necessary).
8 Exhaust valves (Part No. 98 424 674 80) (if necessary).
16 Valve rockers (Part No. 98 101 441 80) (if necessary).
16 Valve springs (Part No. 0952 C4) (if necessary).
1 Camshaft pulley bolt (Part No. 0806 49) (if necessary).
1 Timing belt kit with coolant pump (Part No. 16 289 261 80) (if necessary).
10 Cylinder head bolt (Part No. 0205 57) (if necessary).
1 Cylinder head gasket (Part number depending on the thickness mark ) (if necessary).
1 Camshaft seals (Part No. 98 239 200 80) (if necessary).
1 Cap (Part No. 311127).
1 Injection pump outlet pipe (Part No. 98 162 963 80).
1 Cylinder 1 injector supply pipe (Part No. 98 117 373 80).
1 Cylinder 2 injector supply pipe (Part No. 98 117 375 80).
1 Cylinder 3 injector supply pipe (Part No. 98 117 376 80).
1 Cylinder 4 injector supply pipe (Part No. 98 256 155 80).
4 Fuel injector seals (Part No. 98 042 205 80).
4 Fuel injector O-ring seals (Part No. 98 173 808 80).
4 Injector clamp fixing bolts (Part No. 98 089 827 80).
10 Exhaust manifold nuts (Part No. 98 286 490 80).
4 Turbocharger fixing nuts (Part No. 6935 A5).
1Exhaust fixing collar (Part No. 1713 60).
1 Exhaust fixing collar (Part No. 1713 53).
1 Set of oil separator seals (Part No. 16 381 593 80).
1 Seal of the air mixer unit (Part No. 98 137 583 80).
1 Air union seal (Part No. 98 142 241 80).
1 Air union seal (Part No. 98 137 567 80).
1 Vacuum pump seal (Part No. 4556 24).
1 EGR valve seal (Part No. 98 130 681 80).
1 Coolant outlet housing seal (Part No. 98 130 219 80).
1 O-ring seal (Part No. 98 130 398 80).
1 O-ring seal (Part No. 98 071 782 80).
1 O-ring seal (Part No. 98 132 166 80).
1 O-ring seal (Part No. 98 132 171 80).
1 O-ring seal (Part No. 98 132 176 80).
1 Exhaust manifold seal (Part No. 98 162 672 80).
1 Turbocharger seal (Part No. 0380 36).
1 Lubrication pipe clamp seal (Part No. 98 134 527 80).
4 Lubrication union bolt seal (Part No. 0376 64).
1 Lubrication pipe clamp seal (Part No. 98 169 401 80).
1 Lubrication pipe O-ring seal (Part No. 98 134 544 80).
1 Oil filter (Part No. 16 806 824 80).
1 Diesel injector return pipe (Part No. 98 247 231 80).
1 Non return valve (Part No. 98 249 975 80)(if necessary).
16 Valve stem seal (Part No. 98 100 557 80).
N.B. : To optimise logistics, the parts kit available contains the camshafts, the camshaft carrier, the chain, the tensioner and an information label to be affixed in the engine compartment

308 (T9) UNTIL RPO 15757 AND DV TYPE ENGINE AND EURO 6.2 ENGINE EMISSION CONTROL
1 new engine (Part No. 16 228 048 80) (if necessary).
1Standard exchange engine (Part No. 16 228 050 80) (if necessary).
2. Consumables
Engine oil.
Coolant (Quantity according to the manufacturer’s recommendation ).
N.B. : Refer to the repair methods concerning any additional consumables to be obtained for this operation
3. Reading the fault codes
ESSENTIAL : Follow the procedure for use of the diagnostic tool . The diagnosis carried out is relayed to the central servers if, and only if, it is carried out in Internet connected mode, if the technician is authorised to use the guided methods and if the diagnosis is started from the "FAULT FINDING" menu from the "Diagnostic" or "Expert" tab . At the end of the global test, wait for the Diagnostics tab to start up (home screen with selection of methods by domain) . Quit the Diagnostics session, returning to the home tab . Validate the message "Do you wish to quit the current session?"
Read the fault codes.
With or without fault code P0017, P050B : Carry out check 1.
If there are other fault codes : Perform an in-depth search.
N.B. : The fault code(s) may be accompanied by other fault codes

 

Oh wow this is so helpful and will really help me with my complaint to the ombudsman. Thank you so so much!!

 

Hi Lynnem,

Did you manage to get any success with the ombudsman? My chain has just gone on my 5008. My independent garage has also found 2 valves damaged. He has contacted peugeot for the parts and they haven't got any and couldn't give an eta. They offered to diagnose the problem for around £180. If they see it as a manufacturing fault from the diagnostics then they will cover all costs and refund the diagnostic cost. But if it turns out not to be a manufacture fault (which I believe they will ultimately try to argue) then they will put all the cost on me.

So i wanted to know if you managed any success with the ombudsman so i can have a leg to stand on if they try any funny business. My independent garage has looked through the car and engine and can't find anything that would cause a cam belt to break. It's only around 60k on the clock so hoping their diagnostic also comes to a similar conclusion and accept liability.

Many thanks in advance

 

Keep us all informed

 

I will do. I've already battled the dealer who sold me the car and warranty and got £3k towards the repair. The car should be fully fixed this week and I'll go to the ombudsman with the remainder cost (expect to be a further £1k) that I'll go after peugeot for. My case is read to submit ...wish me luck!!

 

You have done very well there to get them to pay towards it, but that also proves they know about this issue or they would not pay anything

 

Sorry that's my fault for not being clear. It isn't peugeot who have paid towards it yet. I bought the car from an independent dealership with an extended warranty that had a single repair limit of £3k. Short version is warranty declined the claim as it turned out the dealer didn't do the full service they said they had done and applied for my warranty with...invalidating it...so i threatened them with trading standards etc and the £3k is now covered. I'll go after peugeot for the rest. It's been a very stressful experience!! Joys 😫

 

Oh, you bought it used from an independent?

Forget the ombudsman trying to squeeze the manufacturer (or more accurately the importer.) At no point have you entered into a contract with the importer, express or implied.

 

Regardless of where i bought the car from it is still less than 5yrs old and has sustained significant engine damage due to a substandard chain which peugeot are aware of, so i will be going after peugeot as they put the chain on the car and have since changed the spec as they know it is snapping. Where i bought it from is irrelevant if there is a manufacturers fault!

 

The l'Argus article quoted above says PSA will pay 100% of the repair cost if the vehicle is under 5 years/150,000km and has been serviced according to the schedule with approved parts and fluids. They have an algorithm to split the cost if these conditions are not met. Obviously this is in French only, because French drivers would set fire to the PSA head office if they tried to get away with making the customer bear the cost, whereas Coventry is already a post apocalyptic wasteland so no British owners are going to waste their time with direct action which nobody would even notice

 

Half the valves were also bent

 

I’m

did you see the rockers were broke or any damage to them. I thought they twisted the cam lobes to stop the valves bending

 

The rockers were also replaced, they didn't protect the valves. The theory from the garage is that as it happened when i started the engine, the chain likely broke in the split second when the enginee revs were at the highest for starting the engine to create such an amount of damage

 

they also twist the cam lobes, they are piss poor weak and turn easy. these engines are a disaster and should ALL be recalled, for fit a new engine no probs.....psa will not.... i tell the drivers to start and switch strate off then restart as it stops the rattle strait away.

 

Add another data point, my 2019 Berlingo just died of this at 85000 miles.

 

Update on my Berlingo, Citroen are paying for a full engine replacement as it's inside the 5yr/150,000km window. No word on when that will happen, it's been sat at the garage 2 months already. My garagiste was aware of the issue and gave me to believe that the chain manufacturer is getting the bill in the end, obviously PSA have cut a deal whereby they stitch up their customers by not issuing a recall, in order to keep the cost to their supplier down

 

Great news and thanks for the update. Did they offer you a courtesy car? I was told I'd be given a courtesy from the moment of diagnostics. My big issue is that the earliest they can diagnose is the 4th of Dec so I'm unable to drive the car at all.

My car is also within 5 yrs but will go over from 31st October. I will have to bring this up with them as their earliest date to diagnose will take me over 5 yrs. I know you're citroen and I'm peugeot but I'm hoping they sort my issue out too.

 

I will do. I've already battled the dealer who sold me the car and warranty and got £3k towards the repair. The car should be fully fixed this week and I'll go to the ombudsman with the remainder cost (expect to be a further £1k) that I'll go after peugeot for. My case is read to submit ...wish me luck!!

Sorry to hear that. Hope they sort you a courtesy soon until you get your car back. I'll be happy if they admit to the fault and accept to fix the problem as its becoming pretty expensive if I try to do it on my own at a local garage. It doesn't help that peugeot don't seem to have the parts for the repair so I'd have to use something like ebay where the garage has said they can't take responsibility if it breaks down as the parts may not be genuine.

Thanks for again for the update. Would you by any chance have any correspondence from them of the issue incase peugeot claim to be oblivious of such a fault? It could be a life saver for me.

 

Hi is there is same problem with rifter 2023 model ? Or they already upgrade to 8mm chain on new models ?

 

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