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My wifes 206 is a 54 plate which we have had from new.

Very low mileage, 35k, never failed an MOT!

Work todate is cambelt after 7 years, battery and brakes, nothing else. It is serviced every year by a main dealer.

It has developed a noise which is worrying. A metallic squeal/vibration.

To begin with it was once in a while. It would rise and fall with revs when stationary, but not all the time.

This morning I put the bonnet up and it was quite pronounced and rotational with the noise seeming to come from the timing belt but it sounded bearing like. I left the bonnet up and put it in gear to move backwards and forwards.

As soon as the clutch pedal was depressed the noise went away.

It drives fine, gear change is okay, clutch appears spot on.

Sometimes the noise is there when driving and sometimes not, but it is happening more often.

Anybody got any clues what it could be?
 

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New bearing would sort it, but when you're in that far best do the whole thing.
 

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By far the best way to tackle it. Get a good quality clutch and replace the sleeve the release bearing moves on at the same time, then forget about it for another 7 years!.:):):)

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So an update and still concerned!

I took it to 3 garages for quote and opinion, they all said clutch release valve with some caveats.

The first place said they also thought it could be clutch and gearbox because they would not expect the noise to disappear with the clutch down, they said this indicated gearbox trouble.

So at the second place, a Clutch centre, I asked about gearbox. They said you can never rule anything out and as gearbox is sealed there is no way of knowing. But they said more than likely just the clutch.

The third place did test drive and said they thought gearbox was okay and it was 95% likely the clutch.

So my question is that if it was the gearbox making noises, would the test drive have picked up some symptoms , or could it still be the gearbox even though it behaved on driving even though noises were evident.

I have to say that when I google, there appears to be divided opinion as to whether a clutch release valve on its way out, should stop making a noise when clutch pedal is depressed or not?
 

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Interested in this subject as I sometimes hear the mentioned noise from my 206 when idling although when I press clutch it goes away and when I release it starts again, car drives fine, sound is from gearbox side area...

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Its just the bearing its very common gearbox will be fine as long as its filled up again after the clutch change :)
 

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Okay, can I ask people to reassess their answers as that would really help me. I have taken new advice today and am totally confused!!

Everybody is suggesting Clutch Release Valve is the culprit and the answer is a new clutch.

However "experts" that have looked and listened have added the caveat of the gearbox as I have previously outlined.

Locally, I have a county wide gearbox reconditioner to the trade and retail. I took the car in to them today and they looked and listened and said transmission input bearing and not the clutch.

Now I guess I would expect a gearbox place to say it is gearbox and a clutch place to say clutch because they are both after my business.

They have both covered themselves because the gearbox place is saying replace the clutch as well as the labour is already paid for. The clutch place is saying only when the gearbox is out will they know the true answer.

The gearbox place says because the noise goes when the clutch pedal is depressed it is gearbox. The clutch place says that although the clutch bearing is the problem, depressing the clutch pedal tightens all components up in the clutch and the noise goes.

Who do I believe?

The gearbox place is saying I don't need a reconditioned box and they will clean up and replace bearings and put a new clutch in.

So if it is the gearbox, the cheaper option is gearbox repair and clutch.

If it is the clutch, then cheapest option is just the clutch.

But it is knowing what to do because so far everyone on here is saying clutch, but if I go that route and it is wrong it gets doubly expensive?
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Remove the gearbox to do the clutch and IF it is in need of a bearing repair the gearbox while its out but personally i doubt the gearbox needs anything doing either way you will need a clutch anyway as it would be stupid to replace box without fitting a new clutch anyway
 

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Not sure exactly what you want us to say here? You either believe the 'experts' or you don't. Unless you want to bring the car to my door so I can pull the box off it, you'll have to believe the opinion I and others have given you. And if we're wrong we can discuss it at great length from the comfort of our armchairs.
 

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Stevoxi is quite right. We can only advise from our own past experience. There are many top mechanics who post on this forum trying to help.
But there is no guarantee they will get it right 100% of the time.

In either case the gearbox will have to come off, I think your biggest problem might be finding a reputable repair shop to take a look for you.

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Not sure exactly what you want us to say here? You either believe the 'experts' or you don't. Unless you want to bring the car to my door so I can pull the box off it, you'll have to believe the opinion I and others have given you. And if we're wrong we can discuss it at great length from the comfort of our armchairs.
I appreciate it is impossible to diagnose a problem on a forum.

My problem is that the "experts" I have consulted disagree with each other.

I guess I am looking for people to say "we have seen this all before and it is always clutch not gearbox". My problem is that I am cynical and believe that repairers only want to sell their own products or services.

I look to the forum to hopefully give me unbiased advice but wanted to add into the mix that a gearbox workshop had said it was a gearbox problem.
 

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So called experts rarely are i specialise in peugeot and renaults and some people call me an expert but i tell them i dont like being called an expert as it implies im a know it all im not NOBODY knows everything.

Your not going to know until the box is out simple as that.
 

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So called experts rarely are i specialise in peugeot and renaults and some people call me an expert but i tell them i dont like being called an expert as it implies im a know it all im not NOBODY knows everything.

Your not going to know until the box is out simple as that.
Reliable406

can you clarify something please?

I thought it would be easy once the gearbox is out for clutch replacement for the garage to check the condition of the gearbox, that seems a simple solution. But I am being told that the box is sealed and because there is labour involved in opening it up, it is quicker/cheaper to replace bearings whilst it is open?

Are they taking advantage of me through my lack of knowledge and senior citizenship!
 

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Your overthinking it the box will be fine IF there is doubt the box does indeed need to be stripped but its not a big job for someone who does gearboxes its a simple box.

I dont generally repair gearboxes unless its my own or a hard to get one i just fit a good used one

You can get a good indication of how good the box is with how much play there is on input shaft should be a tiny amount thats all and when you turn it it should be quiet/smooth
 

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If it were me, I'd take the box off, replace all the clutch stuff and put it on again to see what happened. If that didn't cure it, I'd go get a second hand box from a scrappy. Taking the box apart would more than likely be more expensive due to it being quite labour intensive, and it's not as big a job to take out as you might think.
 

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As stevo says If the box is faulty it could still be refitted for now i can do a gearbox/clutch on a 206 in 3 hours tops box practically removes itself :)
 

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thanks guys really appreciate the advice, really do.

I think I will go to the gearbox workshop and ask them to replace the clutch and repair the box only if necessary.

If labour was free, hahaha, then the option of putting box on and see if problem was gone would be sensible. But if problem is still there then I pay twice for gearbox removal which is not sensible as this appears to be large part of cost.

Thanks again.
 

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Update on clutch/gearbox

Okay, here is the answer plus another question!

Car has been in this week and required a new clutch and input bearings to the gearbox. Work has been completed and car runs fine.

However, an immediate new problem that I would appreciate views on.

Now when the car is started, turning the ignition key gives a scratchy/grating noise. the car starts straight away and as soon as the key is released the noise goes. This never happened before the car went in.

Now, I don't know much about the finer workings of a car, hence me posting on here. But the obvious problem is something to do with the starter motor and how can that be affected by a clutch change?

I have done some googling and have come up with a reference as follows

If you drive a car with a manual transmission and the clutch was recently replaced, it’s possible that dust from the old clutch contaminated the Bendix gear on the starter. This causes “dry” operation, and the starter makes a loud noise when engaging. This is a temporary situation and should resolve itself in a short time.

It didn't say what car this was but could this happen with a 206? Is it a known problem with a clutch change? Will it really go away or should I immediately be going back to the garage?
 
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