[Catanea]

Hi, I'm in Catalonia, but anglophone.
I need a part (9221Q2--driver's window raising mechanism for left-hand drive 607).
I ordered one and it didn't fit and I had to return it.

The VIN number of my car is: VF39D4hxb92082516.
AFAIK the number only matters up to the 2. BUT all the VIN decoding sites I can find say my car is 2009 (based on the second 9 in the VIN). My car is 2002.
I have found a second-hand part from a car whose code reads: VF39D4hxg. (The vendor says this 607 is from 2004, not 2009, so the VIN decoding information is obviously wrong.)

Can anyone tell me whether the "b" vs "g" is likely to be significant? Will the part fit? Price is okay; but the ten days to deliver + ten days to send the [wrong] part back is killing me.

Can anyone recommend an ACCURATE VIN decoding source so I can verify parts?
Please!
Many thanks.
amanda

 

[trem1]

Information from servicebox



Vehicle characteristics
607 4 DOOR SALOON 2.2 HDi 136 Manual gearbox 5
Vehicle family 607
AS/RP N° 09465 89 2 0204
Warranty Start Date 08/08/2003
BER e2*98/14*0199*06

General information
PRODUCT TYPE CAR
COMMERCIAL MARQUE/COMPONENT TYPE PEUGEOT
VEHICLE FAMILY 607
SILHOUETTE 4 DOOR SALOON
TRIM LEVEL DYNAMIC LUXURY
ENGINE DW12TED4 TURBO DIESEL
TRANSMISSION BVM5
PAINT TYPE METALLIC PAINTWORK
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE LEATHER L005 + CARPET ARGALI V145 "C9"
UPHOLSTERY COLOUR "FD"
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) ML5C MANUAL GEARBOX
ENGINE (TYPE) EW/DW
OTHER BADGE WITHOUT FULLER BADGE

Vehicle characteristics
TRIM LEVEL DYNAMIC LUXURY
PAINT TYPE METALLIC PAINTWORK
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE LEATHER L005 + CARPET ARGALI V145 "C9"
UPHOLSTERY COLOUR "FD"
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) ML5C MANUAL GEARBOX
STEERING UNVARIABLE POWER STEERING
SPEEDOMETER DRIVE CT 27 X 21

Fuel supply-Engine
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH
ENGINE DW12TED4 TURBO DIESEL
DIESEL FILTER WATER DETECTOR WITHOUT DIESEL FILTER WATER DETECTOR
FUEL DIESEL FUEL
EMISSIONS STANDARD (ENGINE) EEC 2000 DEPOLL (ENGINE)
PRE-FILTER ASSEMBLY WITHOUT PRE-FILTER
ENGINE (TYPE) EW/DW
CATALYTIC CONVERTER 3 PARTS CATALYST
OIL COOLER MNTG WATER/OIL EXCHANGER ON ENGINE
CRANKCASE GAS CIRCUIT HEATING W/O HEATER CASING GAS CIRCUIT
EOBD SELF-DIAGNOSIS SYSTEM WITHOUT "EOBD" AUTO-DIAGNOSTIC
VEHICLE TECHNICAL DEPOLLUTION L4 VEHICLE TECHNICAL DEPOLLUTION
PARTICLE FILTER PARTICLE FILTER

Gearbox Transmission
TRANSMISSION BVM5
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) ML5C MANUAL GEARBOX
FINAL DRIVE RATIO REAR AXLE HYPOID GEARSET 17 X 71
SPEEDOMETER DRIVE CT 27 X 21
WHEEL STYLE 16 INCH VIVACE ALLOY WHEEL
WHEELS FITTED 7" RIM ROAD WHEELS
WHEEL (TYPE) ALLOY WHEEL ASSEMBLY 3
INFLATION PRESSURE LOSS INDICATOR TYRE DEFLECTION INDICATOR
GEARBOX TYPE ML MANUAL GEARBOX

Suspension-Steering-Brakes
ABS WITH ABS BRAKES
REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR DIAM 25
ANTI-THEFT DEVICE STANDARD ANTI-THEFT
STEERING COLUMN MANUALLY ADJUSTED STEERING COLUMN
STEERING UNVARIABLE POWER STEERING
FRONT ANTI-ROLL BAR FRONT ANTI-ROLL BAR DIAM 23
SUSPENSION NORMAL SUSPENSION
ACTIVE SUSPENSION WITHOUT VARIABLE SUSPENSION
DYNAMIC STABILITY CONTROL SYSTEM ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM

Body fittings
AERIAL SHORT ROOF AERIAL + GSM + GPS
WHEEL EMBELLISHER (STYLE) VIVACE ALLOY WHEEL CAP
ADDITIONAL SHIELD (UNDER ENGINE) W/O ENGINE UNDERSHELDING
EXT. REARVIEW MIRROR COMP. FUNCTION EXT MIRROR ELECTRIC-FOLD BACK
HEADLAMP WIPER HEADLAMP WASHWIPE
FRONT PANEL BLANK FRONT BUMPER BLANK - RH SIDE
FRONT FOGLAMP FRONT FOG LIGHTS
EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (DRIVER SIDE) HT EXT RRVW MIRROR EL INT CONTR
EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (PASSENGER SIDE) OUTSIDE PASS RRVIEW MIRROR HEATED ELEC CNTRL
SPARE WHEEL STEEL WHEEL + STANDARD TYRE
EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (GLASS APPEARANCE) TINTED EXT REAR VIEW MIRROR
EXT. REAR VIEW MIRROR (DRIVER SIDE RADIUS) DOMED DRIVER’S DOOR MIRROR GLASSS
SUN ROOF FIXED ROOF
WINDOW (TYPE) LAMINATED WINDSCREEN + SIDE REAR TOUGHENED

Interior fittings
FRONT SEAT MODULARITY/ERGONOMY PACK MODULARITY/ERGONOMIC PACK FRONT ERGO 2 CUSHION
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE LEATHER L005 + CARPET ARGALI V145 "C9"
ANTI-THEFT ALARM WITH THEFT PROTECTION ALARM
REAR SEAT REAR BENCH SEAT SINGLE CUSHION SEPARATE SEAT BACKS
REAR SEAT ARMREST WITH REAR ARMREST
REAR SEATBELT REAR 3-POINT 3 INERTIA REEL SEAT BELT
FRONT SEATBELT PYROTECHNIC SEAT BELT WITH ALARM
CLIMATE (AMBIENT TEMP) TEMPERATE COUNTRIES
SPEED GRADUATIONS GRADUATION KMS/H
DRIVING POSITION LEFT HAND DRIVE
INSTRUMENT PANEL (CHARACTERISTICS) BEIGE DIAL BACKGROUND
TACHOMETER (SIGNAL CONNECTION) REV COUNTER CALC
CHILD SEAT ANCHORING POINTS WITHOUT CHILD SEAT MOUNTING
LOUDSPEAKER SPEAKERS ON REAR PARCEL SHELF
RADIO CONTROLS REMOTE RADIO CONTROL
POLLEN FILTER WITH POLLEN FILTER
SCREENING (BLIND, SIDE SUNBLIND, SUNROOF) ELECTRIC REAR BLIND
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT HEIGHT CONTROL PASSENGER BOOSTER PARALLEL + FRONT ADJUSTMENT
DRIVER SEAT CONTROL MEMORY CTRL DRIVERS FRONT SEAT
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT CONTROL PASSENGER FRT SEAT ELEC CNTRL
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT ADJUSTMENT PASSENGER LUMBAR ADJUSTMENT
COMPACT DISC MOUNTING COMPACT DISC
SATELLITE NAVIGATION SYSTEM WITHOUT NAVIGATION SYSTEM
HEADLAMP BULBS DISCHARGE BULB
REAR WINDOW LIFT SEQENT CONTR RR WINDOW LIFTER
DRIVER’S WINDOW LIFT SEQUENTIAL DRIVER’S ELECTRIC WINDOW
PASSENGER’S WINDOW LIFT SEQUEN CONTROL PASSENG FRONT WINDOW LIFTER
DISPLAY DISPLAY (RADIO+CLOCK,T°,CD)
HEATING ELEMENT NON HEATED SEAT
FRONT LATERAL AIRBAG THORAX SIDE + CURTAIN AIRBAG
REMOTE CONTROL WINDOW CLOSING REMOTE CONTROL WINDOW CLOSING
PASSENGER AIRBAG PASSENGER AIRBAG
ELECTRIC WINDOW (OPERATION) DRIVER’S + FRONT/REAR PASSENGER’S ANTI-PINCH
ON-BOARD COMPUTER COMPUTER
AIRBAG DEACTIVATION MANUAL AIRBAG DEACTIVATION
HEADLAMP HEIGHT ADJUSTER AUTOMATIC HEADLAMP ADJUSTMENT
RADIO RECEIVER "RT2" RADIOTELEPHONE SYSTEM
REFRIGERATION AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONING
CRUISE CONTROL SPEED CONTROL
DRIVER’S SEAT HEIGHT CONTROL PARR+FR DRV HEIGHT ADJ
INTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR ELECTROCHROMATIC DAY-NIGHT INTERIOR MIRROR
CARPET COVER WITH CARPETMAT
EXT. REAR VIEW MIRROR (DRIVER SIDE RADIUS) DOMED DRIVER’S DOOR MIRROR GLASSS
COOLANT LEVEL WARNING LAMP WATER LEVEL WARNING
ANTIPOLLUTION MALFUNCTION WARNING LAMP WITHOUT ANTIPOLLUTION MALFUNCTION LED
OBSTACLE DETECTION SYSTEM OBSTACLE DETECTOR
LATERAL BLINDS WITHOUT SIDE BLINDS
INFLATION PRESSURE LOSS INDICATOR TYRE DEFLECTION INDICATOR
FRONT HEAD RESTRAINT (OPERATION) ELECTRIC FRONT HEAD REST
FLOOR MAT WITH CARPETMAT
DOOR AND REAR PANEL TRIM TYPE WITH LEATHER INSERT
EQUALISER AMPLIFIER WITH EQUALISER AMPLIFIER
LOCKING CONTROL CENTRAL DEAD LOCKING
WINDOW (TYPE) LAMINATED WINDSCREEN + SIDE REAR TOUGHENED
STEERING WHEEL 4 SPOKE PERFORATED LEATHER STEERING WHEEL

Electrical
ALTERNATOR ALTERNATOR 150 AMP
BATTERY L2 500 BATTERY - DUAL TYPE
STARTER MOTOR STARTER MOTOR CL 5
SPECIAL LIGHTING WITHOUT PARTICULAR LIGHT
EXT. REARVIEW MIRROR COMP. FUNCTION EXT MIRROR ELECTRIC-FOLD BACK
SERVICE BATTERY SERVICE BATTERY L1 40 DUAL TYPE
HEADLAMP BULBS DISCHARGE BULB
FRONT FOGLAMP FRONT FOG LIGHTS
HEADLAMP HEIGHT ADJUSTER AUTOMATIC HEADLAMP ADJUSTMENT

Component manufacturers
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH

Miscellaneous
SPECIAL SPECIFICATION STANDARD
ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS NORMAL ATMOSPHERE
DRIVING POSITION LEFT HAND DRIVE
TRAFFIC SIDE DRIVING ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE
EQUIPMENT GROUP DYNAMIC EQUIPMENT
SIDE IMPACTS DOOR WITHOUT REINFORCEMENT
SURFACE CONDITIONS GOOD TERRAIN

 

[Catanea]

interesting...but....?

Hi, trem1,
if you are a person, and not an automatic reply of some kind?

All of that information appears to be correct; but what it is not clarifying for me is which elements in the VIN number reflect which bits of information, and therefore which will be reliably the same on the nominal 2004 607 I am hoping to "harvest" a part from.

The VIN decoding sites I have seen cite individual letters/characters as indicating specific elements of the car (motor, model, &c.) but are incorrect--as is clear from the decoding sites' interpretation of the number 9 as indicating 2009 as the model year.

Any further clarification would be much appreciated.
Thank-you,
Amanda

 

[reliable406]

The info trem posted is PEUGEOTS own build data for YOUR car you wont get any more info than that the vin decoder sites get the dates wrong for ALL peugeots as peugeot dont use the year character

4HX is a 2.2 hdi engine the letter after that is the verssion number of the car a b c d whatever

 

[Catanea]

I believe you....

I guess I am too stupid to understand whether that helps me with the part specification problem...will it fit?
Please, reliable406, WILL it fit? ARE "b" and "g" compatible? Who can tell me?
Thank you for your reply,
and Thank you if you have any additional clue.

Why is my mechanic saying "check the chassis number" if the chassis number is useless?

Please, help?
amanda

 

[windy1603]

That is the correct part number for window lifter based on your VIN on the Peugeot Servicebox so thats what it left the factory with. Unless door has been changed that part should fit. Are you sure the replacement part was correct part number and not supplied incorrectly

 

[Catanea]

*Peugeot* part numbers vs. supplier part numbers

Thank-you, windy1603,
Nonetheless, my mechanic also told me that the Peugeot part number is not the same as the manufacturer (supplier of the part to Peugeot)'s part number.
But as it appears you're all encouraging me, I'll take this next risk. I will report back.
Thank-you all for your efforts...
-Amanda

 

[reliable406]

Peugeots part numbers are RARELY the same as the part nos on the parts this is because the PART is made by someone else delphi bosch brose magneti marreli valeo etc etc make ALL the parts for every car.

If your mechanic was dismissing a part based purely on numbers he is a clown

If you buy a part from peugeot for a 10 year old car the NEW part may be different due to manufacturing changes the part may have been modified through the years and could have changed number a few times

There are 3 VERSIONS i believe of the 607 and each version will have some parts the same as others where other parts are version specific i have a 2003 model and it has double glazing xenon lights electric boot sat nav etc but a 2002 model we had had none of those !

 

[Catanea]

not a clown, really!

Hi, Reliable406,
No, he's not a clown, really.
He tried to fit it.
Then he tried to adapt it.
Then he doubly advised me to check the chassis number;
& that's how I discovered all these oddities about VIN numbers, model years, &c.
I'm about to take a risk on the 2004 part...but at the moment the website isn't letting me click "add to basket" (añadir a mi cesta, in Castilian)...maybe I'll get more helpful advice from these forums before I can actually do it....
Thank-you, though.
I appreciate all attempts at help.

Amanda