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Just for the sake of arguement, I have davanti tyres on the transit and can't fault them.
 

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I have some 'cheap' tyres on my car - BCT on the back and City Tour on the front - the car drives just the same as it did with the Michellin's on it.

Now that we have labels on the tyres - speed rating, wet braking and rolling resistance (I think) - it's easy to look past the brand and at the actual tyre's performance.

It used to be the case that 'cheap' meant poor/dangerous performance - that's no longer the case - things have moved forward IMHO.

My approach to driving in snow is - place in first gear - feet off pedals - then let the engine keep the car moving forward at walking pace - this approach has not failed me, even on hills.

My approach to driving around corners - don't put myself in a position where the car will skid.

When your driving over compacted snow or ice - the tyres make very little difference - it is how you drive.
 

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I have some 'cheap' tyres on my car - BCT on the back and City Tour on the front - the car drives just the same as it did with the Michellin's on it.

Now that we have labels on the tyres - speed rating, wet braking and rolling resistance (I think) - it's easy to look past the brand and at the actual tyre's performance.

It used to be the case that 'cheap' meant poor/dangerous performance - that's no longer the case - things have moved forward IMHO.

My approach to driving in snow is - place in first gear - feet off pedals - then let the engine keep the car moving forward at walking pace - this approach has not failed me, even on hills.

My approach to driving around corners - don't put myself in a position where the car will skid.

When your driving over compacted snow or ice - the tyres make very little difference - it is how you drive.
not strictly true, tread pattern, depth and width of tread and rubber compound all make difference!
iv driven in the alps on normal tyres and winter tyres, the difference is astronomical.
 

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I fitted falken euroal season (an all season tyre) to the front of my 307 and they're great in the colder temperatures. They're also better than a summer tyre in wet conditions which is handy for living in Scotland. I got them part worn (6.5mm tread) from ebay for £50 delivered.
 

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Just for the record, in case anyone thinks that I am unable to drive in bad conditions, I passed my driving test at 16 in Winnipeg Canada. I drove many a winter over there, where the roads are usually snow/ice covered for 5 months a year. You soon learn how to drive in slippery conditions.
 

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I agree with greegor.
Now I have the Michelins fitted, the difference in braking and cornering is many multiples better. Where I had understeer or ABS working overtime, I now have nothing. The grip is measurably improved by a huge factor.
I haven't experienced understeer or any use at all of ABS with premium or budget tyres - I drive such that neither happens.

Winter tyres - marketing ploy - if you hit a patch of black ice - tread pattern or tyre compound etc. makes diddly squat difference.

It's the same with big name and own brand engine oils - a con to get more money out of punters.

This is my experience from motoring for over 40 years.
 

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I haven't experienced understeer or any use at all of ABS with premium or budget tyres - I drive such that neither happens.

Winter tyres - marketing ploy - if you hit a patch of black ice - tread pattern or tyre compound etc. makes diddly squat difference.

It's the same with big name and own brand engine oils - a con to get more money out of punters.

This is my experience from motoring for over 40 years.
We will have to agree to disagree on this lol.
I too have been driving over 40 years (only just realized that, and now I am depressed) and I find the total opposite is true, apart from in some cases, black ice. If there is no grip to be had, there is no grip what tires you have.
You cannot compare premium with budget though. Cars, clothes, oils, tires, aftershave, coffee, bog roll, e-liquids, dog sh*t bags, crisps, bread, tech etc etc etc. It is true across the board. You get what you pay for, and things are cheap for a reason.
I am not a brand snob, nor a victim of fashion, but I do appreciate the value of money, and cheapest is definitely not the best.
 

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I have also been driving a long time !!

Although i agree that some tyres are worse than others i dont think winter tyres are essential for our climate i think the biggest issue is the way people drive in bad weather is what gets them in trouble some cars are better than others some tyres are better than others some drivers are better than others :)

You just need the right combination of the required variables
 

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That pretty much sums it up! My transit goes places on davanti tyres where the zafira won't on michelins (more weight over axle). Winter tyres were a must have on the Volvo (I blame the large amount of power for that) yet the the zafira is better on ice which I put down to the width of tyres on it. Insignia better again (245 wide) but went nowhere on fresh snow. Too many variables. I think it's a personal preference. Best of them all, 306 d turbo!
 
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