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Hi, I've had a 406 Coupe for the past 8 years and it's now time to change it. I'm considerring a 2009 407 2.7 HDi Coupe Sport. I know nothing about these cars other than what I've read on-line. Obviously with all that electrical kit on a car there is the potential for faults, which I think you have to accept with most modern cars.

I tend to do all the mechanical repairs and servicing myself, but leave the specialist work to independant specialists.

What's the low down on these vehicles???? Can you get hold of a workshop manual. Are they reliable cars? They are remarkably good value these days, is there a warning there?

Regards Ian
 

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My name is Iain B :wave:
I like the coupes, I did consider one before I getting my second saloon.
Struggled to find a 2.0 hdi though, as afaik the road tax on the 2.7 is ludicrous is it not?
Plus, my new saloon is a GT multimedia, so when it came up I grabbed it.
I think unless you buy a complete pig, 407s are no less reliable than
anything else. Unless you're a rough sod, then something is bound to break :D
I think a 407 offers a good car for not a lot of cash at certain age. Mine is an 08 post face lift, I bought it on 32k and paid £4300 including a years road tax. From a main Peugeot dealer.
 

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After doing a bit of sleuthing, the 2.7 hdi road tax is..
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£475.00 PA. I hope you knew that already!
Jesus, that's as much as my insurance, road tax and a month or so of diesel.
 

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Yeh I know the road tax is a bit of a sod on these cars, the later 3.0lt hdi is in a lower tax bracket, but these later models seem to be much more difficult to find.

The 2.7 HDi I'm looking at is a 2009 model on a 58 plate, 35k on the clock, 2 owners and in mint condition from an independant dealer for £7,500.

I'll give it a test ride and if all is OK I'll probably go for it.
 

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Metalic Silver and Black leather. In the photo's the inside looks in really good condition, very little wear on the drivers seat, etc... a closer look tomorrow in the flesh is called for.

It would be nice to know what to look out for on these models, I suspect try all the electrics frist. Regards Ian
 

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With regards the engine, I've no idea.
With regards the tip auto (which I'm sure all the 2.7s had), I've no idea.
With regards other stuff.
ABS sensors can make the ABS light go mental. Easy to change, but you need it diagnosing to tell you which sensor it is.
Brake switch can fail meaning the cruise won't work and your brake lights stay on. Again, easy to change.
Bulb failure warnings, this could mean a failed rear cluster earth. There is an easy fix for this, it's on here..somewhere.
I'm assuming it will have a FAP, so obviously that will need taking care of. They are now a testable MOT item so you can't go ripping them off, so the car will need using correctly and not tootling about on short trips not getting warm.
Notes on mine, which has leather too (although mine is wine red), the seatbelt clip squeeks on the leather which is annoying. But the bum warmers are excellent :D
 

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I ran a 407 SW GT with the 2.7 litre V6 engine for a couple of years. The only problem I had was a nearside front wheel bearing that failed while I was driving in the south of France. It made it home with a progressively louder rumbling. That engine was awesome. The torque just kept coming. It was relentless if you held you foot down. I saw an indicated 145 m.p.h. an on autobahn near Stuttgart and I only backed off then because a Fiat pulled out in front of me. The road tax in the UK was just a touch excessive and it wasn't the most economical car, either averaging low 30's.
If you can put up with the running costs, I guarantee it'll give you the biggest grin you've had on your face for years!!

 

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I've bought it as it was quite stunning in the flesh, originally owned by a Peugeot manager, every extra fitted, mint condition inside and out, the only issue was a slight de-lamination on the driver window. £600 from the main stealer, got £250 off the price, will live with it as it's barely noticeable and I'll look for a secondhand replacement.

Picking it up on Friday. Thanks for the replies. Ian
 

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After being out the Peugeot fold for a while, I too am considering another 407, but this time the GT coupe. It would be the HDi.

I guess the £400+ tax is because they are twin turbo?

Seem to be a fair bit of kit for the money, Iain B's car seems to be very good price froma main dealer!

What's the GT multimedia? I wasn't too keen on the Nav in the 407 I had and found the phone sim card GSM thing to be useless!
 

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Picking up the car on Friday, the tax on this 2.7 hdi is £280 although I thought Peugeot quote a co2 rating of 226 for the 2.7hdi. Not sure if they changed the co2 on the later 2009 models, but the tax disk is definitely £280. And it's advertised as the 2.7 not the latest 3.0 lt hdi.


When did the 3.0 models start?
 

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I love my 2.7 Coupe, glad i bought it despite a few niggles to start with. I have had mine remapped and DPF removed, then mainly rest of money been going on rectifying things like the heater flaps, Heated seats, front end respray etc.

The tax changes from March 2006 upwards - pre March being the cheaper road tax (which mine is being an early 2005 '55' plate), then after March it jumps up to over 400 quid for a year - mad!
 

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Hi all

I got a pug 407 coupe 2.7 HDi GT last year. I love it. Mine is a 55 plate (2006) it was very low mileage for age. Only 32k on clock. I've done more miles in 1 year than previous owner did in 3.

Couple of things though...........

The vehicle tax. It's £470 per year. Based on emissions. 226grams off the top of my head. It only just drops into that tax bracket. 2 grams less and it would have been cheaper. But....... if you find a 2006 model registered pre-march 23rd? (something like that) then its £270 per year. I know cos i only pay £270 p/a for tax.

Usual issues that affect all cars and pugs alike. But with the 407 in particular:

*Ball joints. 407 favourite! If bad replace.
*Suspension bushes - it's a heavy car. I think some on mine are a bit suspect, but could be me.
*ABS sensors. These will die. Just replace when gone. Or do all 4 at once and be done with it.
*DPF filter for the diesel. It's a car for long journeys. It will drink fuel round town. So take it a leat once a month for a long 70mph drive. A 50 mile round trip if poss. Enough to clear the DPF. I find a 20 mile in 3rd gear (semi-auto) does the trick.
*CHECK THE BATTERY!! Or get a professional to check the condition is ok. If it dies, you cannot open doors. The battery is in the boot. People have had to break glass to get in and replace battery. If you do break glass, don't break the small back window - very expensive to replace. Do the passenger door.

Different things but....

*Pulling away - on the 2.7 HDI, you will notice hesitation pulling away. It's a gearbox thing and don't believe there's a cure. I'm used to it so am already slightly rolling before pulling out.
*Get a remap!! Only joking...... or am i? It's not a quick car. It's a cruiser. If you want more power, get a remap. Don't bother black boxing it. A remap will give you all the power 2k rpm onwards. It should make car drive normally until you need power.
*Use decent fuel. It does matter and it is noticeable. If i use cheap supermarket fuel, it's slower and more "diesel-ly".
* Change oil, oil filter and fuel filter regularly. Easy to do at home. Both filter are on top of the engine. Very easy access.

To be honest, i don't think there are many issues with these aside from ABS sensors and ball joints. Look after them and the DPF and it should be fine. Mines 8 years old almost? And everything works as should. All mech and electrics work.

I got mine cheap as it had issues. It had:
*power steering fluid leak on high pressure side. Fixed under warranty and all is good. Sorted
*Front CD player didn't work. Couldn't use satnav disk. I just cleaned the optical head of the RT3 unit with cotton bud and IPA. Sorted. (Only issue is removing and disassembling CD player. It's ok for me as i work in electronics industry.)
*Hazards kept on going after opening doors!! Reset the BSi module, sorted.
*Low oil pressure warning!! Was worrying. Turned out last owner had slightly overfilled the oil. Not much, but enough. Changed oil and filter. Sorted.
*ABS sensor! Common issue, got garage to replace. Sorted.

Now i've fixed my own issues - and i don't expect half of those to be common to the 407 coupe, it's all good.

Blooming heck, i've written a novel!!!
 

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I didn't see last two posts before my last novel!!

Happygilmore!! Tell me more about this remap you have!!!!:thumb:
 

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Sorry, mine was a typo - its a 2006 '55' plate.

Great write up Savs, it is nice to know what others have had go wrong - fingers crossed I dont have a list like that though ;)

I was kind of forced in one direction in a way with my remap, as it sorted the multitude of errors I kept getting with regards to my DPF system, and also removed the tyre pressure monitor as a bundle if you will.

Cost me £300 quid for all three and I went for the middle option which was performance and economy remap. (Quantum Remaps)

The MPG definately seems up, although I have to say I didnt own the car that long before to really judge it - but it is higher than I thought in my opinion for a big car.

Power seems to be constant but delivered in a really smooth way over cars I have had before - put it does pull well! but like you say are more cruisers than bruisers.

Was impressed with it - but more so also in getting my DPF removed and that pesky tyre pressure monitor :)
 

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Thanks Savs, A very useful post, I'll keep all that in mind when I get the car. I'm hoping the car will at least be reliable for a while. Things like sensors, ball joints and bushes I can do myself. Electrical components I can change if I know what has failed.

I just replaced the CD drive in my Volvo entertainment system, the Mitsibishi cd mech is know to be weak, replacement unit from Volvo £1k, new cd drive from USA £65. Now working fine, just had to swop the circuit boards over.

Can you get a diagnostic programme for a laptop to read the fault codes on a 407 coupe?

Ian
 

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Haha!! Yeah, but i did buy mine for about £1500 less than normal price. I knew there would be a couple of issues!! Fortunately, nothing expensive or serious!!

I had a feeling low oil pressure warning was wrong as engine sounded ok. No rattles or grinding......
And i knew PS leak was covered by warranty.

The most expensive issue was ABS sensor. But everything is sweet now.

I'm hoping to remap this year. Probably around June. Just want to check ball joints and suspension again first. Then upgrade the brake pads. I don't think the ones on are OEM. No brakes when wet!!! Need to brake earlier to dry them off!! I'll put some Greenstuff or similar before the remap.

Now you have no DPF, you can use the 2 stroke oil!! I have tried it on mine. Made no difference apart from a little bit more sluggish. Just BK244 once a year and using good fuel seems to work best.

Best bit i do like................... the heated seats!! What an old man i am!!! haha!!
 

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I have a 2009 3.0 hdi 240bhp Coupe with less than 20k on the clock. Its a bit of a toy for me, only do about 2k per year. Bought it second hand with 15500 on clock. RFL is £260 and insurance for me is £240 fully comp. Because I only use it for longer runs it returns around 40 mpg.
I'm sure you will enjoy your car and good luck with it.:)
 

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Yes, only use Shell in him now - will have a look into that additive I think.

Heated seats, tell me about it! I love the little buggers!! I have just got my passenger one working today with a new switch (thankfully it was only a switch) so my missis can warm her backside along with me ;)

I need to do my balljoints next - and am now wondering if the slow leak of fluid at the front could be power steering? as the steering feels stiff at times? did your drops form on the plastic lip at the front near wheels? I thought it might have been engine oil but am now wondering.
 
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