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Hi

Peugeot 308 1.6 Hdi. 2009

No history. Suddenly wont turn over starter at all.
Battery is fine (tried jumping for fun)
Tried second key

On putting to start position, lights etc do not dim. No attempt to power starter. The is a single click in engine fusebox area (relay sound) but just once, not like a machine gun click as in flat battery.

I am assuming a relay in fusebox at the moment, but not sure how to proceed. As car wont start I cant take to my diagnostics man?

Any suggestions please?
 
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I'm only going to suggest this as I had exactly the same after a clutch change

Check all your earthing points, specifically the one on top of the gearbox!
 

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Cheers Stubbo!

Turns out after digging that in fact the solenoid was being energised correctly. FWIW to save anybody else digging (and no need to get hands dirty on this test) goto the engine fusebox.

5 pin yellow connector at front most of fusebox. Splice into lead 2, fat whitish one? That's the 12v to starter solenoid. You all knew that though didn't you? :D I put 12v straight off battery into that. Got same clicking which in fact was starter. Nobody at home there though, so unfortunately it was a starter off job. You can also test for 12v of course on turning key in this wire. Very unlikely to be damaged wire from there to starter itself as its pretty meaty.

I say unfortunately, as even taking air intakes, wipers and scuttle off, battery and tray out, access is I would say the closest to impossible you will ever find.

I just managed it, the middle cap screw is holding on a wiring loom bracket as well. You cant see it at all, just by feel. I also dropped one end of a coolant hose to help. Access from the top is not possible so despite being located above the solenoid block I JUST managed to access middle cap screw from underneath car. Top cap screw goes the other way to the other two BTW ie transmission to engine direction, else there would be no chance with that one!

My knuckles tell the story. Getting new one on will be interesting!!!
 

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Was that 'was being energised correctly' or 'wasn't being energised correctly ?

Can you explain all of this in simple terms please :) I may have the same issue possibly but can't quite grasp how you diagnosed.
 

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It was being energised correctly in my case. I.e. it had 12v going down it (pin 2) when it should have. Nothing was wrong with starter circuit therefore.

Way to test away from starter is to 'hotwire' a lead from battery +12v (red) terminal to this white lead. It goes straight to starter solenoid. Alternatively with 2 people one operated ignition key whilst other checks for 12v down this pin 2 lead - just I was doing it alone so was easier to hotwire to check.

If car starts - you have a result - change the engine bay fuseboard containing starter circuitry is most likely solution.

If car does not start from 'hotwire' you (like me) most likely have a failed starter motor. Equals big unpleasant job :( I could clearly hear a clicking from solenoid when hotwiring but no rotation or attempted rotation.
Good luck!
 

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Well a year on... New (Peugeot) fitted starter motor has failed.. A year and 3 weeks to be exact - typical..

More exciting this failure. Starter continued for approx 1-2 mins uncommanded after ignition key removed!!! Followed by a cloud of acrid smoke as motor burnt out. I have never heard of this before.

So this time to add to my fitting guide (I really don't fancy this again). But you can get away with 'just' taking off the undershield and battery and tray etc from the top. No need for scuttle wipers air filter etc they don't appreciably help.

Again your looking for 3 x Hex key set screws. Two from underneath the car, one under the solenoid (viewable) one above the solenoid. Not viewable and hardly reachable - good luck. Top hex comes from engine bay in opposite direction (Gearbox > Engine direction). Hex here difficult to see with fuel filter etc still in situ, but there is only one Hex screw there.

Final battle is getting the starter when removed out of the void at back of engine. Managed to work it towards where battery goes between clutch and gearshift cables. Whole thing really not at all easy.

Ive gone with aftermarket starter this time, not had much luck with Peugeot ones... All done and dusted and car not burnt out.. Result!
 

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Check your ignition switch is good as this is a common reason for starters to run on in the way you suggest.

I would have disconnected the battery rather than risk a fire !
 

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Well it all is 100% with new starter so best left alone I guess? Yes disconnect battery is quick - I would have done just that, but .... I wasn't driving it at the time :(
 

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Defective starter motor

On June 10th a Peugeot starter motor was installed in our Boxer van. On 10th September it packed up. We had to have a new one fitted as we couldn't get home without it. Who is responsible for refunding the cost of the defective starter motor?
 

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No history. Suddenly wont turn over starter at all.
Battery is fine (tried jumping for fun)
Tried second key

On putting to start position, lights etc do not dim. No attempt to power starter. The is a single click in engine fusebox area (relay sound) but just once, not like a machine gun click as in flat battery.
I have these EXACT symptoms, only with a 2009 Berlingo HDi

Cheers Stubbo!

Turns out after digging that in fact the solenoid was being energised correctly. FWIW to save anybody else digging (and no need to get hands dirty on this test) goto the engine fusebox.

5 pin yellow connector at front most of fusebox. Splice into lead 2, fat whitish one? That's the 12v to starter solenoid. You all knew that though didn't you? :D I put 12v straight off battery into that. Got same clicking which in fact was starter. Nobody at home there though, so unfortunately it was a starter off job. You can also test for 12v of course on turning key in this wire. Very unlikely to be damaged wire from there to starter itself as its pretty meaty.
Tried this, but when I touch the 12V+ to the white wire (as described above) it sparks (like crossing polarity type sparks).

I know it's an old thread - wondering if anyone can help?

Battery is fine. Alternator works. Keys are fine.

(The power steering is juddering, this is the only other symptom that is happening since today - but it doesn't make sense)

Here's hoping!

Cheers :)
 

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Thanks mate. I did consider that - but it’s the same symptoms and I thought it would save a lot of time.
I’ll make a new one if you think that’s best ??
 
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