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Hi guys,

I have a 407 with the RT3 or RT4 sat nav system. The dial wheel in the center is not working correctly, it keeps sticking when press, and you have to forcefully pull it out again each time it is used. Does anyone know if it is possible to replace this dial/button? Or another fix?

My other question was does anyone know where to get ISO's of the latest SatNav maps? I presume mine has not been updated since 2007.

Thanks for your help guys :)
 

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Thank you so much for the maps. I however forgot to ask about the firmware, since I got the car, the RT4 just starts and freezes in the Peugeot logo, it only works if left to warm up for a significant amount of time. I hope a firmware update might fix this issue?

Would you have a link to the firmware also?

Pity about the dial button, I don't think any other buttons can work as a substitute "enter" button...
 

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I just seen firmware update 8.31 is included in that link. Thanks...

I will do the firmware update before the map update if I can get past the start screen.
 

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Sadly, it isn't the firmware. What you are experiencing is the hard drive inside the RT4 dying. (If it's an RT4 you have).

http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/audio-sound-multimedia-8/rt4-compact-flash-upgrade-60050/

Only way to fix I believe (owned my 407 for a couple of months but I read up on common faults etc).

You might already be on version 8.31. To find the software version, press and hold the 'MENU' button. Select diagnostics from the menu that pops up, and it will cycle through various numbers. An RT3 will have a number 5.xx to 6.xx. RT4 and RT5 have 7.xx to 8.xx. 8.31 is the latest.

If it isn't, upgrading the firmware is a step in the tutorial above anyway, so you may as well do it, incase it was the firmware! When burning any discs, it is imperative that you burn at the slowest speed possible. I have no idea why but it doesn't work as well if you don't.
 

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Thanks for your reply. I updated the firmware to 8.31 yesterday and also the latest maps. I had to leave the car running for 10 minutes before it would get past the Peugeot logo, but after that the firmware and map update worked. the unit then worked fine on startup for the rest of the day. I come out this morning and it continued to be stuck on the Peugeot logo again!! So I agree it must be the HDD. I would rather fix this issue myself because if I give the car back for the dealer to fix, I believe he wont know what is wrong and is hardly going to spend hundreds and hundreds on a new RT4.

So am I right in thinking that a normal PATA 2.5" HDD will not do as a replacement as it has to be a "automotive class" HDD? (To withsand vibrations) I don't even know where to get them.

I will have to get radio removal keys to take the unit out of the dash? It's a pity cause the car is great and everything works apart from the RT4. When it does work it's great!! apart from the sticky dial button.

All I have to do is replace the hard drive and the unit should ask for a firmware disc, which I have from yesterday?
 

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The problem is, IDE hard drives aren't manufactured in mass units anymore, the standard is now SATA. To further compound the issue, automotive hard drives are not manufactured either as SSD's can withstand greater temperatures, higher shock etc.
So finding an industrial / automotive grade hard drive is difficult and will be VERY expensive.

Your best bet is the CF Adapater with a CF card. (Even these aren't being produced or sold in bulk anymore as SD cards have superseded CF cards lol)
With a CF card, there's no moving parts so vibrations will not have an effect, or temperature.

It's a bit more complicated than that, I haven't done the upgrade myself so can't inform you any further than what the thread link in the previous post states. However through my IT knowledge, you should be able to image copy the entire hard drive to the CF card bit for bit using Linux, that way, it should be a simple process.
The upgrade disc only installs the software, the configuration is done through Peugeot Planet or copy the files from the hard drive to the CF card. Doing a bit for bit copy will possibly work and be quicker / easier.
 

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Thank you for your informative reply. OK, I will go down the CF route and get a 32gb card and proceed that way. hopefully I can get a copy before the HDD dies.

I just need to get the "removal keys" then to get the unit out of the dash? Any idea what they are called?

On a side note, is it usual to take absolutely ages to copy a CD to the juke box? I have only done 2 CD's but they took around 40 minutes. Surely this cannot be correct?

I have yet to try and see if I can copy a data CD with MP3 albums across. Pity It can't read FLAC, however with 30gb, that would be eaten up right and quickly lol...
 

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According to the Peugeot tech docs, it's two "bolts" and advises to "Slacken the bolts (1) (Without removing)." Other sites use prongs to shove in. I do have an Ipod dock to install but the winter weather has stopped my from removing mine!

40 mins is about right, the system actually copies and then converts into MP3. Best way is to pop MP3's (upto 320kb/sec) onto a CD as a data CD. You get to transfer a lot more music and does it a lot quicker (about 10-15 mins I think?)

FLAC...you really expect a lot don't ya? lol
 

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Rightio, on my shopping list this evening then is the following. This is all I need and correct to proceed? And also a USB bootable copy of ubuntu, or can this been done in Windows? Perhaps a clone from the old HDD?

32GB Brand New Kingston Ultimate Compact Flash CF Memory Card 266x CF/32GB 740617163223 | eBay

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3 in 1 USB 2.0 to IDE SATA 2.5/3.5'' Hard Drive HD HDD Adapter Converter Cable | eBay

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NEW USB 2.0 CF Card Reader Compact Flash Card Reader UK | eBay

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Compact Flash CF to 44 Pin 2.5" IDE(Male) Adaptor Converter Card | eBay
 

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All looks good aside from the CF card you have chosen. I've personally had a few failures (some totally weird) with Kingston MicroSD cards. I have no idea how their CF cards are though. Aside from the reliability aspect, ideally you want a CF card that has "UDMA" on it. It's an IDE standard.
That issue aside the speed is a bit low. You probably won't notice (and I have no idea how fast the bus inside the RT4 is) but heck, a faster card won't hurt.
Oh and I tend not to buy memory cards from ebay for mission critical devices (not quite mission critical but a PITA to change out faulty memory cards!), it could be a straight up fake.

I would suggest this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extreme-UDMA7-CompactFlash-Card/dp/B00NUB2Q9E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487008712&sr=8-1&keywords=32gb+cf+card&th=1 - Select the "Standard packaging" option, not the frustration free crap!

It's a lot quicker, supports UDMA7 standards and it's designed for more "rugged" environments. It is a tenner more though but worth it in my opinion...and I am from Yorkshire so I am really tight.

I would never connect either hard drive to windows, the windows hard drive management is fantastic but it could cause boot issues (long story & I won't go into it).

Download Linux Live USB Creator: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download

That will let you create a bootable USB Linux distro. Of course, you will need a USB stick as well (and a decent one at that if possible). Personally I would use Clonezilla Live - On step 2, click download and select Clonezilla from the list.

While I haven't done this or read it anywhere, you should be able to clone the hard drive to the CF card, install the CF card into the car and it should be ready for you, no CD's etc needed!
If you want to do it the way in the tutorial, use Ubuntu, you can use Linux Live to download Ubuntu instead.

Whereabouts are you located?
 

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I'm in Armagh, N.I.

Thank you once again. I have everything ordered there so should be here for the weekend. All I need is a tool to remove the unit from the dash, could you recommend anything? Also something to secure the drive inside the RT4.

I will use the clonezilla route. I hope there is no problem with cloning a 30GB drive to a 32GB CF Drive?
 

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If you were any closer, I could possibly pop round to give you a hand!
It could be a torx, it could be a hex, it could just need something round shoving in, I have no idea what it needs to remove. Someone else on this forum must no.

There should be no issue cloning it as it's going onto a larger drive. I would probably get the hard drive warmed up and working in the car, delete the data from the jukebox (less to copy then hopefully), before ripping out the hard drive.
 

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I have a 407 with navi which soon as I can afford to take off the pvt plates will be going to the great car park in the sky as it is shagged. However the head unit is in great nick, the screen has a thin line of dead pixels but it doesn't affect its use. Open to offers if someone wants it. I've no idea what's involved removing it or what else you'll need ie harnesses etc. Seen these on fleabay for 200£ plus but not expecting miracles lol just a thought


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Well All the bits have come in the post, just need to go into town tomorrow and get a set of torx thin screw drivers...

I will let you know how it goes :thumb:
 

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Hi guys...

All I can say is BiGK, you sir, are a genius!!!

After wrestling with the top metal cover of the RT4, I had to just rip it off in the end due to rung torx screws lol, I managed to get the IDE drive out. I then used BiGK's suggestion and cloned the drive to a 32 CF drive using a live Clonezilla distro. Worked perfect and took around 10 minutes. Popped the CF drive into the RT4 and BAMN!!! worked perfect. Startup is even a bit faster now also.

Once again thank you for your advice BiGK:thumb::thumb::thumb:

BTW: Torx screws are the biggest PITA ever!!!!
 

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Could you provide a bit more detail on exactly what you did?
Just had a go with Clonezilla and failed :(

When I plug the hard drive into the desktop the keyboard stops working.

On the laptop I go through the Clonezilla screes but it comes up with a message in red text saying something like no unmounted drives. I guess it can't see the hard drive from the RT4.

The drive itself doesn't sound good -- it clicks a lot when plugged in. Put it back in the RT4 and, mercifully, everything still works.
 

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@seanpcrowe - Fantastic! Glad it's all worked out for you. What did you use to remove the headunit from the dash? Were there torx in the holes or just need a couple of pins to push out?

@rwb. How are you plugging the hard drive into the PC / Laptop? 2.5" IDE to USB? If so, which one?
It's possible the hard drive isn't responding in time for the USB hard drive controller to initialise it (which on your desktop causes issues with IRQ's). In the headunit, it will repeatedly try and start the hard drive until successful, the USB controller gives up after the first.
The clicking is the head getting stuck somewhere, either on the disc or from park mode. Sadly, it will die, so try and get it sorted out asap.
 

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No they where torx screws, then used a kitchen utensil to work it out after the screws where undone...

@rwb Is your sat nav working all the time or does it hang on the Peugeot logo when you start your car from cold?

Clonezilla worked perfect for me, I fired it up with a liveCD and used the option to load the liveCD into RAM so I could unplug the USB CDROM drive. Then I attached the RT4 HDD to the laptop in a USB caddie and also the CF Card attached to a USB adapter. I followed the instructions in clonezilla to clone the IDE hard drive to the CF card. In all the cloning took about 10-15 minutes as I recall.

As I say my only problem was rung screw to get the top of the RT4 off...
 

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sorry for being dumb,i take it to up date the sat nav you have to copy to cd then just insert it into the system to update,ps sorry for all the questions
 
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