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I wonder if anyone has had similar issues. recently I am unable to copy any CD's to the jukebox, it gets to the compression stage then says copy failed. this happens every time. This happens for MP3 discs also... Another issues is it seems to be stuck on the settings in a particular time, for example if I make a change to any setting, audio, radio feature, anything at all, when I turn the car off, and come back the next day the settings have reverted to what they where originally. This also happens with the automatic wipers. If I leave the stuck on auto, I have to select off and then reselect auto again to get them to work.

It is very strange and annoying as I cant get any cd's copied and also the radio keeps defaulting to a loud "radio 5 live" when I start the car.

Does anyone have any ideas?

tl;dr RT4 will not save any changed settings...
 

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Just a further point. Last night before a jouney I put the clock forward an hour (daylight savings), I made a few changes to the maps (show near parking areas etc...) and also made some changes to radio presets and audio presets (bass, treble balance etc...) for the rest of the journey all was fine...

I come out this morning and all settings have reverted back to what they where. Driving me insane lol it is as if they are all stuck at a point in time.

They only thing I can thing of is when it got serviced a month ago, they guy said he switched of the tyre pressure alarm for me so it will not show up again. I wonder would this have had an effect?
 

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Which CF card did you go with in the end?
Hi BiGK,

I got a Kingston 32GB in the end as it was delivered the fastest. Do you think this would of had an effect on settings being stored? I couldn't see it but then I could be wrong.

I am thinking something when the tyre pressure alarm was turned off??? Again I could be wrong...

Not being able to store CD's is also a major gripe :(

It is quite perplexing...
 

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I reckon it's the CF card, it's simply not writing anything! When you got the card, did you test the card out on your pc? I.e, by filling the card up with 30gb of data and seeing if it copied correctly?

Fake cards are basically around 2-8Gb etc but the firmware is hacked to make it appear as a 32gb card, so your computer "writes" the files but after the 2-8Gb the card comes with, all the data is corrupt and doesn't store any more.

It could just be the kingston card itself if it's genuine, it has gone faulty maybe, I had that with a Kingston MicroSD, card works perfectly but if writing to it, it sometimes has corruption issues.

Was there a write protection tab on the CF card or the adaptor?

It's why I recommended the Sandisk card from Amazon. I turned my parking sensors off (and did some other things) and all was fine for my car, plus that was a month ago, I assume issues like that would occur immediately
 

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This thread seems to have started half way through the story. I'm confused.

So it sounds like you've replaced the hard drive with a compact flash card. Did you clone the hard drive to the CF or re-install from scratch?

It really does sound like the CF isn't writable. Silly idea: does it have a write protect switch? Either on the card or on the adaptor?

As BiGK says, maybe worth checking that the CF card really is what it claims to be, but I'd be surprised if anything was up with it if it's a Kingston from a reputable supplier.
 

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I reckon it's the CF card, it's simply not writing anything! When you got the card, did you test the card out on your pc? I.e, by filling the card up with 30gb of data and seeing if it copied correctly?

Fake cards are basically around 2-8Gb etc but the firmware is hacked to make it appear as a 32gb card, so your computer "writes" the files but after the 2-8Gb the card comes with, all the data is corrupt and doesn't store any more.

It could just be the kingston card itself if it's genuine, it has gone faulty maybe, I had that with a Kingston MicroSD, card works perfectly but if writing to it, it sometimes has corruption issues.

Was there a write protection tab on the CF card or the adaptor?

It's why I recommended the Sandisk card from Amazon. I turned my parking sensors off (and did some other things) and all was fine for my car, plus that was a month ago, I assume issues like that would occur immediately
I can not remember checking the write protect tab on the CF card, however as I was able to clone to the CF Drive in the first place, I would assume that it was not write protected. I would doubt there is a write protect tab on the CF/IDE adapter itself although I could be wrong???

It makes sense that nothing is stored/storing at the minute that the CF Drive can not be written to however a couple of points come to mind. would the last position of the auto wipers really be stored on the CF Card and not in the car's ECU or somewhere else?

I will check at the weekend, reopen the RT4 up to see if the write protect tab and also to see if there is a setting on the CF/IDE adapter itself...

Strange that copying a CD takes 40 mins before it fails, you would assume that data is being written to the drive during that time before failure???
 

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This thread seems to have started half way through the story. I'm confused.

So it sounds like you've replaced the hard drive with a compact flash card. Did you clone the hard drive to the CF or re-install from scratch?

It really does sound like the CF isn't writable. Silly idea: does it have a write protect switch? Either on the card or on the adaptor?

As BiGK says, maybe worth checking that the CF card really is what it claims to be, but I'd be surprised if anything was up with it if it's a Kingston from a reputable supplier.
Hi, I cloned the Hard Drive to the CF Card which appeared to work fine. Yes half way through the story lol sorry, I done this about 4 or 5 weeks ago...

As I said I will double check the write protect tab...

Yeah it was a genuine Kingston in retail packaging, I would hope it is the real deal...

The only other thing I forgot to mention was the unit still sometimes (perhaps once a week) hangs on a black screen for 2-3 minutes before coming on, just like it did with the failing HDD before I replaced it. This is also very strange, It should not do that at all now. The other odd time when I first set of, making selections, from nav to climate etc there will be a pause, like a old laptop thrashing for 10, 20 seconds before becoming responsive again... again very strange...

I am hoping there is a write protect tab I have over looked... bar that I could be having to look at purchasing a new CF card and cloning from the current CF to the new one...
 

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In regards to the auto wipers, in my 407, you have to switch on the automatic wipers but once on, it will remain in auto mode until you switch off the engine - possibly to avoid accidental wiping when washing the car or if the windscreen has loads of snow on it or something.

Something is definitely not normal though, did everything work perfectly initially and then these bugs just happened all of a sudden recently?

With fake cards, it's next to impossible to tell, the packaging will appear to be legitimate, as will the card itself but issues will be experienced, from reliability to outright lies about capacity. I am an ebay powerseller in electronics, I stay away from memory cards, profit margins are thin and fakes are soooo abundant, even sourcing in bulk gets difficult.

But from everything you have said, it's pointing to the CF Card, the adaptor itself or maybe the headunit.

Those moments when it launches with a black screen sometimes...I think that's a just a bug in the system, mine has done it (irritating!) once in the last 3 months. My system also crashed when it couldn't read a song from a CD... just straight up refused to do most functions or eject the disc!
 

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In regards to the auto wipers, in my 407, you have to switch on the automatic wipers but once on, it will remain in auto mode until you switch off the engine - possibly to avoid accidental wiping when washing the car or if the windscreen has loads of snow on it or something.

Something is definitely not normal though, did everything work perfectly initially and then these bugs just happened all of a sudden recently?

With fake cards, it's next to impossible to tell, the packaging will appear to be legitimate, as will the card itself but issues will be experienced, from reliability to outright lies about capacity. I am an ebay powerseller in electronics, I stay away from memory cards, profit margins are thin and fakes are soooo abundant, even sourcing in bulk gets difficult.

But from everything you have said, it's pointing to the CF Card, the adaptor itself or maybe the headunit.

Those moments when it launches with a black screen sometimes...I think that's a just a bug in the system, mine has done it (irritating!) once in the last 3 months. My system also crashed when it couldn't read a song from a CD... just straight up refused to do most functions or eject the disc!
I am not sure if these issues started straight away after the CF Card install or shortly after, I have been away for a while in the mean time.

I will be taking the CF Card out tonight to see if I accidentally flipped the write protect switch when I was installing it. Does anyone know if the CF IDE Adapters also have a write protect tab?

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Hi guys, just been put to the car there and for the life of me I can't find any write protect tabs, do these cards deffo have them? Or perhaps only some of them?

I attached some pics...

 

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I reckon you have a fake. Can you see the head emblem on the front? Is that holographic or simply a printed head?

Thanks for providing a close up pic of the card, if you look at the front of the Kingston logo, the offset printing is incorrect, hence why it has cyan bleeding through, genuine articles would not have that issue!!

There is no write protect switches, so faulty card, fake card would be the most logical answer I think? It's difficult to know for sure though, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
 

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I am leaning towards this reasoning myself. Strange how it allowed me to clone to it in the first place though...

Right, time to purchase a new card and a second CF-USB reader then. You think I will be able to use clonezilla to clone this CF card to another?

What card do you recomend? 30 or 32GB?? (I will listen this time and not try to save a few pennies/time... buy cheap-buy twice lol)
 

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It has to be a fake, the label is just so poorly printed, surely no manufacturer, especially a global one would release that, the labels would be destroyed well before application to the CF card!

You can use clonezilla however because it's unknown at the moment how the card was faked, you are best off cloning from the hard drive again. See if you can make a backup of the hard drive itself, just as an insurance policy.

https://www.shop.bt.com/products/sandisk-32gb-extreme-compact-flash-card-sdcfxsb-032g-g46-C18X.html?utm_content=RR00&gclid=CNeHy9KHg9MCFXMz0wodvUEGNw

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extreme-UDMA7-CompactFlash-Card/dp/B00NUB2Q9E/ref=dp_ob_title_ce?th=1 (In standard packaging)

These should be genuine CF cards!
 

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It has to be a fake, the label is just so poorly printed, surely no manufacturer, especially a global one would release that, the labels would be destroyed well before application to the CF card!

You can use clonezilla however because it's unknown at the moment how the card was faked, you are best off cloning from the hard drive again. See if you can make a backup of the hard drive itself, just as an insurance policy.

https://www.shop.bt.com/products/sandisk-32gb-extreme-compact-flash-card-sdcfxsb-032g-g46-C18X.html?utm_content=RR00&gclid=CNeHy9KHg9MCFXMz0wodvUEGNw

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extreme-UDMA7-CompactFlash-Card/dp/B00NUB2Q9E/ref=dp_ob_title_ce?th=1 (In standard packaging)
Hopefully I still have the original HDD!!

The only other thing I can think of is I updated to the 8.31 firmware before these issues started happening, I doubt that would be the cause of anything?

I wonder if a downgrade of firmware (if possible) would sort things out?

Come to think of it, I upgraded the firmware first, then the maps which never worked... Strange...

I will get a new CF card in the next few weeks anyway :)

These should be genuine CF cards!
 

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Strange thing last night,

Come home from a 100 mile journey, changed to the correct time, and made a few changes to the maps...

Came out this morning and the settings where still there... wtf?? (haven't gotten a new CF Card yet)

Will see if this is still the case over the next few days... :thumb:
 

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It's possible that the update might have screwed things up a bit. Not the update itself but being installed on a faulty hard drive. I am not even sure why the update is recommended before the hard drive is replaced.

Keep using it though, it could be a temporary glitch, if it reoccurs again, it's most likely the CF card, replacing it should restore the issues. Dodgy memory cards can do all sorts of weird things in my experience!
 

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My car does the same.... it reboots exactly 30 minutes after starting.... and when it does that it has lost any changes to settings I have made since starting.

I am thinking of going the CF route but I don't think that is it.
I think some other change has been made related to a 30 minute power saver or something...

I sometimes also get a 2 minute startup.

If anyone has any way of searching Planet, or whatever, for references to '30 minutes' that would be great!
 

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Well, just to update you I came out to the car 2 nights ago and all I had was a "Please insert upgrade CD" message and it has been that way since.. bugger!!!

I was going to put the original hard drive back in however it appears I have misplaced the jumper to make is a "slave" so thats a no go... I HOPE it is just the CF Card has gone Kapoot :confused:

Anyway, does anyone else's RT4 power on the fans when they simply open the car door after unlooking (Without putting the key in the ignition) I just wonder is this normal behavior, mine does it all the time... Also, the fans would stay on after a drive when I turned the car off... Pity after it just started to save changed settings lol :eek:

I have just ordered the CF card in the link you provided from Amazon, it arrives Friday and I hope to install it on Saturday.

On a side note, if I am unable to clone, I have the 8.31 disc still. If I install the new CF card, and use the disc, will the unit become active?

Thanks for any and all input guys :)
 
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