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got lotsa trouble
car was blowing a lot of smoke so took it to local dealer
asked to give idea how much to fix (please do compression test)
after a week he said it had been overfilled with oil and had got into turbo, intercooler etc
cleaned all that up bill so far $2000
he put it all back together - oops low oil light warning have to investigate
maybe faulty switch
bad news - there was a blockage - we fixed it but when we started the car oil and coolant came out the exhaust
bad news we think youve got a blown head gasket
very expensive to fix -suggest a second hand motor
(obviously didnt do compression test as requested)

now me

ive lost confidence in the dealer
i can do mechanical repairs but this is my first peugeot
questions
how difficult to self repair
can i get a manual
where can i get parts
do i need to do diagnostics when finished
if so where can i buy diagnostic tools
i live in australia but happy to import
 

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I'd say that's properly difficult, but I'm really not the person to ask.

You can get the dealer documentation through service box:
Peugeot Service Box
(you have to pay for it)
The parts diagrams are free to access though and might give you a better idea of what you're looking at.
(You have to register on the site. The registration assumes that you're an independent garage but just fill in the form and you get an account.)

I'd say that PP2k is a must. If after you've put it all back together you turn the key and it doesn't start then PP2k will tell you why. Get it off eBay. For example: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LEXIA3-PP2000-Professional-Diagnsotic-interface-lexia-3-for-citroen-peugeot-/261402022707?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cdcc65333
(There may be cheaper ones shipped from China. Over here the going rate is about £70).
You'll need a Windows XP laptop to run it on. (Diagbox is a newer version and needs a relatively powerful laptop to run, and frankly I find PP2k better anyway.)
 

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I would definetaly try to get a second opinion... sounds very strange the whole sequense of events to be honest.

Over filled with oil?
Then a blockage?
Then low on oil?

I have changed about 40 cars the last 5yrs and I have not heard or experienced a blockage that caused this kind of symptoms?

What is the mileage of the car?

P.S. The same engine is used on Jaguar S-Type, XJ, Landrover Discovery's and Range Rovers.
(Although on the Land Rover and Range Rover, runs on single turbo configuration instead of twin turbo)
 

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Blown headgasket with less than 50.000miles on the clock?
If the headgasket was blown, did you see any residue of coolant in the engine oil? or any oil in the expansion tank?
Any sign of (mayonaise anywhere)?
Also was the car overheating especially on motorway runs? Did you have to top up coolant at any point?

I would have a look mostly for blown turbo seal or even a blown turbo.
What colour was the smoke?

Also was there any noises coming from the turbos? (ie loads of spooling, or high pitch noises etc, anything other than normal)


Sorry too many questions I know.
 

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answers

cant answer mos questions as i took the car straight to the dealer
as i understand
oil and water is emulsified
car was running perfectly up til then - no noises, plenty of power (a pleasure on the freeway)
never used a drop of coolant
 

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swap motor

one option i have is to swap the motor
i can get a 2.7
or a 3 l
does anyone know if the 3 l will fit
any problems
any special equipment required for an engine swap?
 

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I don't think anyone attempted the swap, (that I know of).
But the 3.0 is the natural evolvement of the 2.7.
I would think it would fit no problems.
 

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Blown headgasket I would have assumed it would have leaked coolant in the oil and vice versa rather than in the exhaust system?
I would seriously check the turbos before I do go and research for engine and spend serious money.

I would take the car to another garage and check if what they say is true or a load of ....

Who has done the last service? was it you? or a garage?
If so how much oil did you put in?
 

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fix by self

thanks Kent
my thinking is
bring the car home
pull heads off
either fix and reassemble
or
consider motor replacement
I have fixed hundreds of motors but never worked on a peugeot
the car was serviced by the biggest peugeot dealer in the state just 8000ks ago
thats who i took it back to
at least hes going to reduce my $2000 bill after i expressed my concerns
 

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thanks Kent
my thinking is
bring the car home
pull heads off
either fix and reassemble
or
consider motor replacement
I have fixed hundreds of motors but never worked on a peugeot
the car was serviced by the biggest peugeot dealer in the state just 8000ks ago
thats who i took it back to
at least hes going to reduce my $2000 bill after i expressed my concerns
Well if he says the car has been overfilled with oil and the whole problem is caused by their last service. I would go after them to be honest.

I have drove to Greece and back with the car 3 months ago, I have done more than 7.000 miles (11.000km) and the oil is still spot on, I did not have to top up since the last service.

Cheers
Vasilis.
 

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I got that quote from another forum

"Check if you are not loosing the coolant through the egr cooler as it would also be lost through the exhaust as well. Cheaper option to check first before taking the heads off."

Might be relevant.
 

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dealer not guilty of overfill

thanks for feedback
in defence of dealer, he didnt overfill at last service.
i had the low oil light come on a couple of times and i put just a bit of extra oil in
i went away for a few days and my daughter drove it
thats when it was blowing smoke and the oil light also comming on
my son in law put oil in - thats when it may have been over filled - but it doesnt seem like that caused the problem
all seems a bit strange but i'll get to the bottom of it
 

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think its turbo

ok I got the car home
i took it for a short run
low down power seemed ok and it idled ok
but no guts under acceleration
cant see oil in the water and after the run the water wasnt down much
so i suspect a turbo problem and the head gaskets are ok
any ideas on getting the turbo out?
 

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lights

Hi Vasilis
I took the car for a short run
the dpf light was on
when i stopped the car clouds of black smoke came out of the exhaust
i have started pulling the motor down
4 hours to get the front dpf out if you know what you are doing (8 if you dont)
i looked on the peugeot site for a manual but they only sell them on a time basis - im not going to do that
the turbo is also very difficult to remove
havent got that off yet - but very close
on the 2.7 hdi it seems the dpf has been welded closed (not a servicable item)?
ive started grinding it apart
lots of fun
 

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Might it not have been a blocked DPF due to not running properly? it might have been cleared by a forced regeneration using PP2000?
DPF light might mean more than one things.
Better read the codes properly with PP2000.

Unfortunatelly as with most modern cars, if you don't scan the car with the proper diagnostic tools, then you are just poking in the dark hoping for the best.

Black smoke might be an air leak in the air intake manifold (had that when the intake cracked was leaking on my laguna and also had loss of power)

If the car has been badly smoking... the DPF might have been blocked
However the DPF on the 2.7HDi is not meant to be replaced before 150.000 miles or (aprox 250.000km)
 
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