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I put my 2.0 Diesel into local garage last week for a new timing belt, it hasn't started since. Everything has been checked at least 3 times, wiring etc, but apparently codes are showing for crank sensor. It has been sent to Peugeot dealers, where they have swapped over my various sensors in a donor cars, they work in the donor car, but the donor cars sensors wont work in mine.

The dealership think it might be an Engine ECU fault, but can't guarantee that is the cause, despite the fact they want to charge nearly £1300 for this experiemental procedure (this includes diagnostic work done so far).

If i hear one more time, "We've never had this problem before", I think I'll scream. Anyone else had a similar fault?
 

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Was the wiring to the crankshaft sensor checked , did they dent/crack the crankshaft while changing timing belt ,
is the initial garage picking up the tab? they should be.:nod:
 

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Was the wiring to the crankshaft sensor checked , did they dent/crack the crankshaft while changing timing belt ,
is the initial garage picking up the tab? they should be.:nod:
Apparently all the wiring has been checked, quite a few times. Don't know whether the crankshaft had been dunted or not, nobody has said anything. Got a funny feeling I'll be left carrying the can on this.
 

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Check wiring and plug for the cam position sensor. often it shows as a crankshaft sensor fault. The plug and wiring is weak on them.
 

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Don't know if this might be worth checking or not. But when I bought my petrol the timing belt had just been done and it ran very badly. Turned out to fit a timing belt you need a special tool that only Peugeot have, to lock up the cams and align them correctly etc
Whoever fitted the belt to mine had fitted it about 2 or 3 teeth off alignment.
Don't know if this might help you out or not, not sure if a belt fitted wrong could throw a crankshaft error....but it might just be worth a check
 
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Check the timing. I'll bet its out.
There's no cam/crank synchronisation I'd say.
 

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i was about to say what david says...if they changed the belt and it didnt work from there...timing belt...

brings back memories...i took my 307 to a garage for a timing belt kit renewal...got it back and it kept jumping into limp mode and sounded horrible, ticking noises. long story short, took it to dealers, they pointed out the fault (timing belt), i asked for photos. got car back, paid dealer myself, took photos to garage, threatened them with trading standards...money back...success.

aslong as you went back to the original garage for the fault since, trading standards will back you up aslong as you keep all evidence of the work etc.
 
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Perhaps this is not the time to say it, but saving a few quid by using an independent garage has cost you a small fortune. trust me, it ain't no co-incidence your car drove in their workshop in A1 order, yet had to be pushed out by a bunch of grimy spanner monkeys.
 

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Perhaps this is not the time to say it, but saving a few quid by using an independent garage has cost you a small fortune. trust me, it ain't no co-incidence your car drove in their workshop in A1 order, yet had to be pushed out by a bunch of grimy spanner monkeys.
i agree to a certain extent.
i dont think alot of independants maybe realise just how much tech and stuff is in certain cars.
i trust my local guy to do most things on pretty much any car; but i know for a fact he has little to no access to decent diagnostic equipment. Even the garage he takes cars to to do MOT's and use their diagnostics dont have a reader that can access all the 407's features.
the garage i bought mine from openly admitted they had never heard of this "tool" to lock the cams in place to change a timing belt....was only when the car had been back to peugeot and they had suggested checking the timing that it was discovered and pug leant the garage the tool to do the job and ensure it was done properly.

maybe its our own fault for driving around with computers strapped in our cars these days! LOL!
in good 'ol Norfolk ive found it virtually immpossible to find any garage, local to me, with PP. even the so called "french motor company" in Dereham; who profess to being french car specialists dont have PP and confess to their diagnostic equipment not being able to do a few things on the 407's systems!!
 

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Some more info don't know if it's helpful. The cam shaft and cam shaft sensor wont synchronise, that appears to be the main problem. 2 garage one independent and one dealer are shaking their heads, but dealer want me to fit a new ecu as an expensive experiement. All wiring been checked and belt is fitted properly.
 
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This is stretching co-incident waaaayyyyyy to far.

Get the dealers to time it up with a new belt. A genuine one.
 
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i dont think alot of independants maybe realise just how much tech and stuff is in certain cars.
Which is why I always have everything on mine done at the dealer... some may say I'm stupid for paying £62/hr labour rates, but believe me, they get the job done a lot quicker and know exactly how to fix them... its all they do, so can specialise in everything about them. I haven't had problems with my dealer, and have always diagnosed problems spot on from the start :nod:
 
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The belt may be fitted properly but is the belt in some way at fault? Fit another and make sure it's a genuine one this time.

Car drives fine, Bombsite Motors fit a new (and presumably pattern) belt and now the car won't work.

It ain't no ECU. It's related to the work your Fred in a Shed did.
 

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Peugeot Dealership claiming faulty ecu must be the problem, they are so sure of this, they will not guarantee a new engine ecu will solve the problem. They are adamant that the belt was fitted correctly by the non peugeot garage and aren't even entertaining the suggestions on here, that it is a timing belt fault.

Does anyone know how I can find the part number for a 58 plate diesel 407 Engine ecu? The dealership gave me the number 1943Q0, but I can't find the part anywhere with this info. Ideally I'm looking at a reconditioned part because I dont want to risk paying £920 for a part that doesn't solve the problem.
 

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Peugeot Dealership claiming faulty ecu must be the problem, they are so sure of this, they will not guarantee a new engine ecu will solve the problem. They are adamant that the belt was fitted correctly by the non peugeot garage and aren't even entertaining the suggestions on here, that it is a timing belt fault.

Does anyone know how I can find the part number for a 58 plate diesel 407 Engine ecu? The dealership gave me the number 1943Q0, but I can't find the part anywhere with this info. Ideally I'm looking at a reconditioned part because I dont want to risk paying £920 for a part that doesn't solve the problem.
Under trading standards law you shouldn't be paying for it anyway! A garage is liable to cover cost of any work carried out that fails to reach the standards required.
Vehicle repairs and servicing - Trading Standards Institute
You 110% need to keep the car at original garage and get them to sort it out! If they piss and moan stand in garage and call trading standards! Get them to talk to garage! I did this with a CAT that kept blowing in my old Mondeo...they wanted me to pay for a new cat after the one they fitted melted after a week! They tried to blame my car which had just past MOT! Turned out to be cheap faulty CAT! ( what a surprise!) got TS on the phone and it was sorted in 10 mins!

Do it! Stop arsing around and get heavy with them!
 

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I had hoped one solution would be to buy a used ecu to test whether there really was a fault with the origin one. I thought it would because simple case of programming new info into it. Dealership claiming this isn't possible, as I'd need to get a shed load of other parts as well. Am I being taken for a ride?
 

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I had hoped one solution would be to buy a used ecu to test whether there really was a fault with the origin one. I thought it would because simple case of programming new info into it. Dealership claiming this isn't possible, as I'd need to get a shed load of other parts as well. Am I being taken for a ride?
Apologies for rage induced illiteracy.
 
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You should have left the car with the original garage who messed it up.
And not taken it out of there until it was sorted.
Just buying a new ecu will not sort things. Seems that both garages haven't a clue whats up with the car or how to diagnose it!
 

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Did you ever check the plug and wiring for the CAMposition sensor??

This is a KNOWN issue with it - and it will most of the time show up as an CRANKshaft sensor issue..

If you really need a new ecu, I (HIGHLY!) doubt it. Then I can sell you an unlocked unit at a much better price than the stealers at Peugeot.
 
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