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Having had my new car for three weeks I thought it might be helpful to give some early feedback as it may help anyone who is considering a future purchase.

Car is a Spacetourer Medium (the equivalent of the Peugeot Traveller and the Toyota ProAce Verso).

The Good

Loads of space - I finally have a car with the space I need
Presence - I have driven lots of 4WD's and it has a similar presence from the driving seat to driving a Range Rover. It is great to see over other cars on the motorway.
It is a lot more refined and quiet than I was expecting. Its a big improvement over the previous version
The ride is quite soft but fortunately it doesn't wallow.
I like the optional reversing camera. In particular the 180 degree view which assists reversing out of parking spaces. The car would be difficult to park efficiently without the camera and the composite 'helicopter view' that the screen generates.
The optional dynamic cruise control works well and gives me plenty of notice when things are going wrong. It does suffer from latency though so there is often an 4-5 second unexplained delay (which feels like a lifetime) from when I engage it to when it takes control.
I love the sliding removable seats. Yes they don't fold flat but I simply remove any that I don't need. The double sliding seat is ridiculously heavy so needs two people to remove it. :weights:
Very Good fuel economy. Mine is a 1.6 115ps manual. Much to my surprise I got 700 miles out of my first tankful (the low fuel warning light was on). As I did a brim-to-brim economy check, that equates to about 50 mpg. I was expecting 40-42 mpg so am very pleased as that will save me about £300 quid a year. Others may not get that as I am a gentle driver and most of my journeys are more than 60 minutes :thumb:

The less good

As anticipated, the steering is not great. It is very low geared 4 turns lock to lock and is so light that it lacks feels and precision and you have to shuffle it through your hands a lot. Users on other forums around Europe and various Youtube reviews say similar things.
The handbrake is slightly out of reach. Not a biggy, but a pain in stop start motoring.
The car lacks solid grab handles to get in and out. It really needs them. The equivalent VW Multivan & Caravelle has them in the A and B pillar.
For such a big vehicle it lacks minor storage space on the dash near the driver so everything goes in the doors. I have purchased a 14.75 litre shallow plastic A3 storage box (link below) which fits perfectly under the sliding double seat in the second row. This stops things that I only need occasionally from rolling around the floor.
https://www.plasticboxshop.co.uk/craft-storage-boxes-c4/14-75-litre-wham-shallow-a3-plastic-storage-box-with-lid-p387/s700
I am baffled by the heated mirrors. My last 4 cars have all had heated mirrors that stay on continuously while the windscreen wipers are operating so they continue to evaporate droplets of water. Not this car. I have to press the button every ten minutes to reactivate them because they keep switching off in rain which gets frustrating on a long wet drive :nono:
I am struggling with the large central display as there are so many options. Having 3 separate radio user profiles really confused me until I made them all identical. :idea: I am sure I will get used to it in time.

I will post a further update in a few weeks.
 

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I promised that I would give an update. I have just passed 3500 miles in my Spacetourer and there isn’t really much to report as nothing has dropped off or gone wrong.

I haven’t managed to get the screen mirroring to work on Android but it does work on Apple. Not a big problem as I was unlikely to use it anyway.

Lugging the seats in and out as required has been the biggest bugbear as the double bench seats are very heavy, possibly 30-35 kg and physically large. I have had to buy a 4 wheel trolley to move them to and from the car for temporary storage. I made my own large boot liner out of carpet that runs half the length of the vehicle interior and it works great but took half a day to cut to size due to the complexity of the floor rails.

I discovered a shocking piece of cost saving on my car and that is the horn. Oh dear, I think that they took it from the Peugeot scooter parts bin as it is so feeble and would sound just great on a moped. :( :eek:

I am still not happy with the steering for the reasons already given. It could be so much better.

The radar cruise control works surprisingly well on ordinary winding A- roads if you are following another vehicle as it tracks the vehicle in front around corners ok, something that is downright scary to attempt with a non-radar system.

Fuel economy is excellent and has settled down at 47-48 mpg and 690 miles brim to brim. It is a 1.6 manual gearbox and I am a very gentle driver (who does long journeys) so few users will better that.

What I am finding is that it is a very comfortable and quiet car to drive for long periods and a pleasure to drive within the limitations of it not being a luxury saloon. The seats in particular although not leather are full sized and fit my ample backside very well. The engine is also very quiet and the 6 speed manual gearbox is surprisingly direct. Many vans have a poor gearshift.

The chassis handles okay. I was expecting some understeer in wet roundabouts but the car seems to track true at sensible speeds so I am happier than I expected to be with this.

The air conditioning/climate control is much more powerful than expected and works best if I have the full system operating (including the rear roof system) so I never just isolate it to the front of the car using the button

Advice for anyone buying the more basic models like mine. Definitely order the parking camera and front sensors as an option. As said originally above, it makes a large wide car so much easier to align in parking bays. Using just the mirrors you simply cannot see parking bay white lines at all, but the camera produces a composite image from 'above' in the centre screen that means you can see your exact position in relation to the painted lines down either the side of the vehicle and so you never park accidentally at a stupid angle :thumb:

I will likely fit winter tyres in November but haven’t yet made up my mind about exactly which tyres I want. The standard Primacy 3's that came with the car seem fine.

One other thing; I have had a couple of Merc Vito and VW Multivan owners (who are paying ruinous lease costs) ask me about the car and while mine is not as posh as theirs, they were aware that the leather seated Peugeot and Citroen versions might work for them and save themselves over £300 a month.

A question. Does anyone know if the Traveller has asymmetric parking lights? All of my recent cars have had them, where you leave one of the steering column stalks up or down when parking and it leaves the side lights illuminated on only one side of the car. I use them when parking at night for 3-4 hours in the local high street, but I can’t get it to work on this car. It isn’t in the manual, but then it isn’t in the manual in my other cars either, but it does work on them.

Did I mention the steering ? :rolleyes:

More to follow in a few months, including adblue consumption when known......................
 

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Adblue consumption

I topped up the adblue tank today out of interest to see what the approximate consumption is. It is not far off what the owners manual predicts, and seems to be using a litre every 500 miles, so a tankful will last very roughly 9-10,000 miles on my 1.6 diesel.
 

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I have had my car two years and it is now at 32,000 miles. I am pleased to report that apart from the front suspension lower swivels recall, nothing else has gone wrong. Fuel economy is still 47 to 48 mpg. There has been no sign of the noisy/crashy rear suspension developing that other users in Europe are sometimes reporting and which I experienced myself in a hospital courtesy bus Spacetourer.

The bit that surprises everyone is how quiet and refined it is. My other car is a nearly new Skoda Superb and this car is slightly quieter inside in the front seats at 65mph when measured using a db meter.

Reading what I have written before, I can stand by everything I said. Its a great car and perfect for my needs and slightly underrated. If they could do something with the steering, hooter, heated mirror timing, grab handles, storage and maybe raise the handbrake lever it would be better.

In six months I have to make a decision about a replacement and I suspect I will go for an absolutely identical car with the same options as it has everything that I need. As to if it is the Peugeot, Citroen Toyota or Vauxhall version I will make that the topic of a separate thread.
 

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I have had my car two years and it is now at 32,000 miles. I am pleased to report that apart from the front suspension lower swivels recall, nothing else has gone wrong. Fuel economy is still 47 to 48 mpg. There has been no sign of the noisy/crashy rear suspension developing that other users in Europe are sometimes reporting and which I experienced myself in a hospital courtesy bus Spacetourer.

The bit that surprises everyone is how quiet and refined it is. My other car is a nearly new Skoda Superb and this car is slightly quieter inside in the front seats at 65mph when measured using a db meter.

Reading what I have written before, I can stand by everything I said. Its a great car and perfect for my needs and slightly underrated. If they could do something with the steering, hooter, heated mirror timing, grab handles, storage and maybe raise the handbrake lever it would be better.

In six months I have to make a decision about a replacement and I suspect I will go for an absolutely identical car with the same options as it has everything that I need. As to if it is the Peugeot, Citroen Toyota or Vauxhall version I will make that the topic of a separate thread.
Hello there,
did you get the new thread off the ground - I can't see it and am looking at these vehicles so appreciate what's been said thus far?
 

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REFD, I am postponing my decision as long as I can due to work, personal circumstances and the current wider situation. However, if it all works out it will likely be another 1.6 Spacetourer Feel for me early next year as my current car does exactly what I need. The spec, including Options will be identical to the car that I currently have (except for the colour) as I don't need leather seats or a 2.0 litre version.

I might consider the near identical Peugeot Active but the lease costs are typically £25 or so dearer per month for the same car, but I won't rule it out as deals change weekly. The Toyota Proace Verso version majors on comfort and convenience but has a poor safety option list - you cannot for example opt for front or even rear parking sensors on anything except the VIP version. No version has the option of the reversing camera, which is mad on such a large vehicle when it is a giveaway price on the Peugeot and Citroen and it is such a great piece of kit. The Toyota brochure also doesn't mention blind spot monitoring either as being available. These omissions would mean I couldn't use a Proace for work, as my employer has rigorous minimum safety kit standards for employee's own cars used on company business that require all these things. Toyota need to raise their game here.

The Vauxhall version on the surface looks okay, but a detailed review of the spec shows reduced kit compared to the Peugeot or Citroen. As I have said before it looks like it is built to a price to meet P11D thresholds. For example, not all the Vauxhall versions have aircon or the full seat rail system, so you have to look at their spec very very carefully as there are other omissions compared to the Peugeot or Citroen. Again like the Toyota they are a bit short with the optional safety kit. I also want 17 inch wheels which again excludes the cheaper versions of the Vauxhall which run 16's with cargo tyres like the pure van versions.

All of this suggests that if I decide to go for one of these again it will likely be the Citroen or the Peugeot, even if it is just for the massive options list which is pretty much available on every model, and these seem to be the sweet spot of the four manufacturers.
 

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If anyone has the Toyota and has had a good experience with their customer services then stick to the Toyota as Peugeot's customer services are lacking in just about every area.
 

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Thank you both - I have looked at all 4 versions and am caught between the badge peer pressure (Toyota) where I pay more for nearly new and Peugeot and Citroen, which don't have the same credence amongst my family's peers, which are priced better with better specifications.
 

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Hi there, as current owner of 2019 3008, was at the desler for some reason and saw it in detail there. I was surprised by the interior and exterior look.
What headlights do you have? I saw there manual height adjustment while it had xenons. The dealer explained me, that those lights have a bit lower luminous flux, so they can be manually adjusted.
How are your feelings about lights then?

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I have made the decision to extend the lease on my car until the summer as I am so happy with it. I am hearing tails of woe from friends about how difficult it is to change lease cars in the current situation that I want to avoid that if I can. One of my friends for example has had a lease expired car sitting on his driveway for 5 weeks and they still can't give him a collection date. My brothers neighbour has the same problem with a lease expired Tesla although that is nearly 3 weeks. Another friend is facing a massive gap between one lease ending and the next starting despite ordering his replacement car well in advance in anticipation of this problem. Being risk averse, I think I will sit tight for now.
 

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I've had a 2018 allure long version for a couple of months now and have been very pleased with how it drives and the flexibility of the seating (main reason for buying really), along with all the bells and whistles that comes with the allure.

There are buts though: in typical French car fashion the interior build/trim quality is horrendous. Three plastic seat rail end caps have broken, I've had to stick a floor light back in to its recess with double sided tape, the side trim in the boot is so flexible that fitting a load restraint bar becomes a game of 'find a spot where there's no massive void'. This is one of those things you just have to accept, you have to drop a load more cash on vw or merc if you want really decent quality - we made a conscious decision not to do this as split seats was a must, as was euro 6 lez compliance.

I was thankful for the warranty - drive belt went the other week after just under three years (20,000 miles) and managed to get that sorted. Previous owner had the misaligned door issue fixed under warranty after experiencing paintwork damage.

I've found it ok taking out the double seat, and set up as a five seater. it's dead easy to get several bikes in the back length ways without any fudging (needs the rear seats to be quite far forward though). Three pairs of floor anchors makes it easy to lash stuff down or to the sides, but it'd be better if there were something on the sides to use.

I'd echo previous comments re. Rear camera and parking sensors, I really wouldn't want to be without them.

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