[pezo]

So I am constantly having small electronical issues with my 307cc (windows do not drop [cabrio related thing when they should drop and get back up while closing doors] or get up properly, main window button not working, doors not locking etc). Having these for years, sometimes they fix themselves up for a while and then reappear. Sometimes restarting ecu (or bsi or whatever) helps, but after a while they reappear etc. Constant nightmare, seems unfixable.

So to help myself out I decided to buy something so that I could read some faults and at least have the opportunity to reset bsi/ecu using this diagnostic.

Is this the correct thing to buy:
ELM327 USB Interface OBDII OBD2 Diagnostic Auto Car Scanner Scan Tool Cable V1.5 | eBay

?

Will this hardware + software disc be enough to read error codes and reset bsi/ecu?

Thanks

 

[WillNZ]

No, you need to buy a Lexia 3/PP2000/Diagbox unit.

 

[pezo]

No, you need to buy a Lexia 3/PP2000/Diagbox unit.

Ok, and what does the unit in my link do though?

 

[pezo]

Can't it even reset bsi/ecu?
Some of my issues go away (and then come back weeks or months later) after resetting it in the shop, would be great to at least do not go to the shop and be able to reset it myself.

 

[clanless]

That's a generic reader - the most you are going to get is a list of error codes - and then you'll have to find out what that code relates to.

If you want to reset things, change radio codes etc then you need the kit mentioned in the first reply.

You can't buy the real diagnostic kit unless you are a garage - the kit you buy off ebay etc is a hardware copy that uses the original software - but it works perfectly and does all that the real kit does.

 

[pezo]

No, you need to buy a Lexia 3/PP2000/Diagbox unit.

This works pretty much with most Citroen and Peugeot models?
(Although reading some ebay listings with something like "does not work well with citroen C5 and Peugeot 307 over 2004 years)

Are there any other more universal tools that can read more cars than just peugeot and citroen? I also have a BMW, could I get something to suit both cars, or only choice are 2 different systems? (Curious since I sometimes see some guys on forums doing "all cars diagnostic" at amateur/friendly level for beer money etc, and it does not seem like they have bought separate systems for each make.)

Thanks

ps: What does lexia 3, pp2000 and diagbox stand for separately?

 

[clanless]

This works pretty much with most Citroen and Peugeot models?

Is no one replying?

Yes all models of peugeot and citroen.

Lexia is for citroen;
Planet is for Peugeot.

It's the same hardware - different software.

There really no such thing as a universal diagnostic machine - the lexia/planet kit is the one to buy - they're quite cheap as well.

 

[RustyChillie]

Is this device mentioned (lexia 3, pp2000 and diagbox) suitable for a 59 plate 308 hdi? As i would also like to see what is happening under the hood with sensors etc.

 

[madbadandold]

The system you buy online from ebay works on nearly all the models. The pre 2004 you use ppk2 option and post 2004 the diag box selection. lexia is for Citroen cars. You get 2 discs and a set of leads. You need a laptop with enough memory and windows XP for instance. All the details are in most of the adverts as to what you need and what you get. It can be tricky to load for some people!
Peugeot themselves have moved away from this type of system and according to them they go online whatever that means.

 

[pezo]

I am looking into it.
It appears there is "full chip" and cheaper (not full chip) version?
Here:
Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting
Above is full chip and bellow not full chip.
Says not full chip does not work with some autos, less features and less protection.
So I assume I should go with full chip only? Or would it be ok with non full chip (If I wanted to buy cheaper):

And on the second layer, even "full chip" versions are different, here:
https://skelbiu-img.dgn.lt/1_5_292743005/lexia-3-full-chip-citroen-peugeot-diagnostika.jpg
On the left is cheaper full chip - it says it does not connect to some ECU's (ABS and Power steering is off: https://skelbiu-img.dgn.lt/1_5_222563435/lexia-3-full-chip-citroen-peugeot-diagnostika.jpg )

So basically 3 levels:
a) not full chip
b) cheaper full chip (does not connect to some ECU's)
c) best full chip

If I want to save money is it ok to go with b or even a?
Am I correct that b version would not connect to some ECUs?
And a version, obviously, as well?

Thanks

 

[pezo]

Any experts?

 

[madbadandold]

Spend money to save money! Spend less and possibly waste money!!

 

[pezo]

Spend money to save money! Spend less and possibly waste money!!

Not the point of my question. I need to understand those differences in order to buy the better one.

 

[storeman]

Basically you have been given the correct information.

The cheapest unit may work perfectly well with your car but the only way to know for sure is to get one and try it out. If it doesn't work you've wasted your money but if it does work then you have save a little bit of money.

The middle on is more likely to work with your car but again might not

The most expensive one has definitely the best chance of working on your car but the number of chips on the board isn't the only thing to take into consideration. If the firmware is rev B then there are some cars it won't work with however rev C firmware seems to work with all peugeot cars.

Then there is the software. The software PP2000 will work on cars up to around 2006 but Diagbox should work with cars built before and after 2006. However, the software may not work with the very newest cars.

I would expect that any of the full chip units should be fine but it's your choice what you buy. The old saying 'You gets what you pays for' should be kept in mind.

 

[pezo]

Basically you have been given the correct information.

The cheapest unit may work perfectly well with your car but the only way to know for sure is to get one and try it out. If it doesn't work you've wasted your money but if it does work then you have save a little bit of money.

The middle on is more likely to work with your car but again might not

The most expensive one has definitely the best chance of working on your car but the number of chips on the board isn't the only thing to take into consideration. If the firmware is rev B then there are some cars it won't work with however rev C firmware seems to work with all peugeot cars.

Then there is the software. The software PP2000 will work on cars up to around 2006 but Diagbox should work with cars built before and after 2006. However, the software may not work with the very newest cars.

I would expect that any of the full chip units should be fine but it's your choice what you buy. The old saying 'You gets what you pays for' should be kept in mind.

Thanks for the confirmation/explanation.
That seems like a complicated issue, sounds like even buying the best one it "might" not work...
As a guy who is used to exact things this is a weird problem (as there are no fixed "this works with this and that with that", but rather "should work, this may work etc )

 

[WillNZ]

If you want 'exact' then buy one directly from Peugeot. That will be guaranteed to work [but if it's electrical standard is anything like the electrics in some Peugeot cars out there, maybe not... ]

The rest are pirated clones, some probably better than others, but even ones from the same factory will most likely have differing standards of reliability/operating ability as I doubt there is any decent quality control and testing of individual units as they come off the line in China. Profit is paramount, no guarantees.... so you take your chances - you gets what you pays for as the saying goes.

 

[storeman]

If you want 'exact' then buy one directly from Peugeot. That will be guaranteed to work [but if it's electrical standard is anything like the electrics in some Peugeot cars out there, maybe not... ]

The rest are pirated clones, some probably better than others, but even ones from the same factory will most likely have differing standards of reliability/operating ability as I doubt there is any decent quality control and testing of individual units as they come off the line in China. Profit is paramount, no guarantees.... so you take your chances - you gets what you pays for as the saying goes.

You beat me to it

All the diagnostics for the majority of cars be they Peugeot, Vauxhall, VW or any other marque will be a pirated clone and as such there are no guarantees they will work correctly. If you want to have 100% assurity that what you buy will work then be prepared to spend thousands of punds (or the equivalent in your currency) for a license from PSA which will then allow you to pay even more for an official PSA diagnostics machine which will likely end up costing you more than a new top spec 3008.

Or you could go the route of buying a top line multi vehicle diagnostic, again be prepared to fork out the cost of a decent used car but could still find it doesn't read all the ecu's in your car.

 

[pezo]

Hi, is this really a full chip version?
Lexia 3 PP2000 Diagbox 7.82 Full Chip 921815C Citroen Peugeot Diagnostic Tool | eBay
Photo looks different than some other full chip versions.

 

[storeman]

Hi, is this really a full chip version?
Lexia 3 PP2000 Diagbox 7.82 Full Chip 921815C Citroen Peugeot Diagnostic Tool | eBay
Photo looks different than some other full chip versions.

How would we know?

We aren't manufacturing or selling them. We have no idea what components are fitted nor do we know how good or bad the components are or how well it's been manufactured. It appears to be a reveision C interface which is the one you should be getting.

It is pointless yo keep asking about any individual item because nobody knowss how good or bad it is going to be. If you really want the diagnostic kit then you are just going to have to take the chance on one and buy it. If the risk is too much for you then stop looking and forget about it.

 

[pezo]

How would we know?

We aren't manufacturing or selling them. We have no idea what components are fitted nor do we know how good or bad the components are or how well it's been manufactured. It appears to be a reveision C interface which is the one you should be getting.

I meant - based on the photo provided, COULD this be full chip (asking because other full chips I have seen looked different).