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Good Afternoon All,

Hope its OK to post this here, my poor dad is not having much luck at the moment, his car has been off the road for about 2 weeks, he is worried about driving it.

So i have bought the PP2000 software and cables, run a scan and found faults. I have cleared the faults just so i know all historic faults are gone, so any faults now i know are actual faults.

PP2000 is showing these 4 faults

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I have done quite a bit of research and believe i need to buy the Eolys fluid #176 (i will confirm this when i call Peugeot Parts).

The only other fault i'm not too sure on is the following one:

"Permanent fault , particle filter , particulate emission filter overloaded."

ECU fault code P1448

Air flow volume M3/h
Distance travelled since last regeneration 0 Km
Average mileage for 5 last regeneration manoeuvres 820 Km
PEF inlet/outlet pressure difference 65 Mbars
Total quantity of additive 125 Grammes

When i fill the additive and reset the counters, will all these errors clear or do i need to do something else - Especially the last error

Many thanks in advance

Little Pug
(Andy :D)
 

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The fault you're unsure on is basically telling you that the DPF is full of soot and needs a good clear out. There are 2 pressure sensors in the DPF, one at the engine end, the other at the exhaust outlet end. The difference in pressure across the DPF is 65mbar, so there's a blockage in the filter.

Firstly, what engine and bhp is the car? This will help give more accurate info about what to do next.

You're best getting the DPF off the car (can be easy or difficult depending on the engine type) and blasting it with a jet washer to get the soot out.

Then you need to make sure your glow plugs are working, and the cooling fan functions correctly, as well as temp sensor and stat. Top up the Eolys, and reset the fluid counters using PP2000.

Then take the car for a drive, get the engine up to temperature, find the nearest motorway and do 70mph in 4th for a good 20 mins at least.

The car is averaging over 800km between regens, which is too much. This suggests the car isn't having a good frequent blast down the motorway and is being used mainly for shorter journeys. Or it could be that there are intermittent faults preventing the car from regenerating the DPF frequently enough.
 

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Thank you so much for the reply jimmymarsbar,

My dads 307 is a 2002 110bhp 2.0 HDI

Is that easy to clean the DPF ?

Thank you again

Andy
 

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Jack the front up, or 1 full side on axle stands, the car and dpf can be seen just forward of centre underneath the car (you'll see the cat run up towards the engine) unbolt and unclip the DPF and cat, the cat end is suspended by a couple of rubber supports, take these off, be careful as it's heavier than it looks.

The cat and DPF are bolted together, the bigger of the 2 parts is the DPF. The 4 bolts can be seized, so you might need a lot of patience getting them off. The sensors can be very tricky to get off, so a bit of patience is needed here too.

There's also a gasket in between the cat and DPF, this might need replacing.

A hot pressure wash works a treat. Once you get clear water flowing, you've cleaned it out. But the rest of the exhaust system may need a clear out too, which is why you'll need the "Italian tune-up"
 

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Thank you for the advise jimmymarsbar :D

It wont damage the DPF jetting it with water will it ?

Sorry silly question, regarding the top 3 errors, are they definitely the Eolys fluid, i was going to get my dads car on stands on Saturday, he did mention to me to check the level first before buying the fluid, as i just called Peugeot and they want £115+vat.

But by the time i get it on stands and check it and then get to Parts they will close, and i really want to get it done for him this weekend.

So do i buy the fluid in advance, I would hazard a guess it needs filling up.
 

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I've never had a problem with washing a DPF out. They can withstand high exhaust temperatures, and the water freely runs through the filter gauze.

You can buy the Eolys fluid from other retailers - I don't know if it will be any cheaper.

If your dad intends on keeping the car, it might be worth while filling the eolys tank, then you know it's full and any faults are taken care of.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but the way the eolys additive is dispensed is every time you open the filler cap to put diesel in, the ECU adds a measure of eolys fluid into the fuel tank.

The amount of eolys squirted in the tank is exactly the same when you stick £10 of diesel in, or when you fill the tank from nearly empty. It has nothing to do with the quantity of fuel, it's entirely on how often you open the filler cap.

So, the eolys fluid lasts longer when you fill the tank and allow it to run to nearly empty.

Putting £10 in here and there will use up the eolys relatively quickly.
 

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The amount of time my dad spends cleaning the car i would be surprised he would get rid if the car, he is more than happy with it, we've just done a service on it and stuck new discs and pads all round. He said if i can get it going he is happy to keep it as long as it keeps going.

I did read this read about removing the fuel cap when resetting the counters, for the life of me i could not see any reason for doing this, but your explanation is spot on and now makes sense how the additive is injected. (A magnet on the filler cap - how mad is that)

I think you point is very valid, if dad is going to keep it, it makes sense to fill the additive, as least you know that's 1 issue out the way.

I think I'll get the fluid and new gasket for the DPF to CAT.

Can you test all the sensors from PP2000 to see if they are functioning OK ?
 

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One thing about the blocked DPF filter, do NOT try to drive with it blocked up like it seems to be, you could damage/destroy the turbo. Pressure wash it out as jimmymarsbar says, you will not damage it.

eolys fluid can be purchased from suppliers on ebay also, dont know how their price compares to the stealer, but bound to be cheaper...
 

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On my 2002 HDi 110 the DPF was a complete single unit under the car. It didn't bolt together, that came a bit later.
I removed mine and cleaned it out by pouring several kettle fulls of boiling water through it from the back end to the front.
I'm also not so sure it uses the Eolys 176. Check with Peugeot or Citroen dealer. There was an earlier type, DPX42
VIN up to 9491 uses DPX42, 5 litre bottle PN 9979.95, 1 litre pn 9736.65
VIN over 9492 uses Eolys 176, 3 litre pn 9736.86, 1 litre pn 9736.85

These are from my notes of about 8 years ago, so PNs might have changed.

The early type had to be replaced every 50k miles, the later every 80k miles.

The fluids you can buy on Ebay and places like Euro Car Parts are cheaper, but are equivalent to the Eolys 176, not the DPX 42.

And wear gloves, that fluid isn't nice stuff.
 

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Thank you for the advise WillNZ and Brilec,

Things are making more and more sense now, is there a way that i can tell what type if CAT/DPF my dads car has,without having to physically go under the car.

I have also looked in the door panel and found this silver tag, the top is the tyres, im not sure on the numbers at the bottom, is this any clue for any info

Car Tag.JPG

I also have the VIN Number if that is any help (the first 9 are letters and numbers) the last 8 numbers are 82516263

Does this mean its the early 307.

Thanks again

Little Pug
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The 0934789 number is known as the DAM number - this is the cars build number. It's used on PP2000 and diagbox for diagnostics (note that you need to use the abbreviated DAM number - in your case it would be 9347).

As for your DPF, it's the same as Brilec's - it's a single unit that can't be split (see image attached). Sorry for the confusion with my description - yours is an earlier version (my '52 plate was the later version).

You can still send a load of hot water through to clean it.
 

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Hello jimmymarsbar

Please don't apologise, you, Brilec and WillNZ are helping me so much,

Is there a way to confirm what Eolys fluid i need?

Also can i get any instructions on removing the DPF ?
 

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I gave you the VIN numbers which show the type of fluid required.

Removing the DPF, that's an exhaust removal job, I had a Haynes manual but it didn't help that much.

But basically remove the pipes for the pressure sensors and I think a connection for a heat sensor? Then undo the clamps holding the pipes together either end of the filter and remove. But they are difficult to get at. You will need the car raised somehow so you have room underneath.
It's some years since I did mine (no longer have the car) so excuse me if some details have been lost.
 

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Remove your DPF and wash it out blast it both ways till all the water coming out flows clear then fill your fluid up

One these are done you need to do 2 things reset your fluid counters AND tell the car it has a new DPF as it needs both to reset back to the start both are easy enough to do it does not need a new DPF just needs to be told it has one :)

As already said do not use it with a blocked DPF or you will kill your turbo.
 

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You remove the clamp numbered 16 on the schematic posted by jimmymarsbar and then all pipes and sensors attached to the exhaust.

It is probably easier to remove the entire exhaust from clamp 16 back as splitting the exhaust behind the cat/DPF unit can be quite difficult in situ as it is a socketed system which becomes quite corroded and difficult to separate over time. You might need heat and a lot of penetrating fluid to help separate it. If you hit the joint to help release the rust between the 2 pipe sections, use a wooden block between the hammer and pipe to prevent deformation of the pipe. If you dent the pipe socket system here with a hammer, it will make it virtually impossible to separate.

You must split it to clean the DPF unit however, you will not get a decent clean if you try to do it through the entire exhaust system.

Just for your info, here is the build sheet for the car [data overload... :p]

Vehicle family 307
Build code 09347 89 1 0044
Warranty Start Date 10/07/2002
Engine serial number 10 DYLX 4042939
Gearbox serial number 20 DM09 4629938
BER e2*98/14*0252*02
General information
PRODUCT TYPE CAR
COMMERCIAL MARQUE/COMPONENT TYPE PEUGEOT
VEHICLE FAMILY 307
SILHOUETTE 5 DOOR SALOON
TRIM LEVEL XS PACK
ENGINE DW10ATED TURBO DIESEL PARTICLE FILTER
TRANSMISSION BVM5
PAINT TYPE METALLIC PAINTWORK
BODY COLOUR EZR - PAINT ALUMINIUM GREY
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE PALASSARI CLOTH + "MU" EFKA
UPHOLSTERY COLOUR "FM"
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) BE4-5L MANUAL GEARBOX
ENGINE (TYPE) EW/DW
OTHER BADGE, " MISC. " WITHOUT FULLER BADGE
BADGE HDI

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TRIM LEVEL XS PACK
PAINT TYPE METALLIC PAINTWORK
BODY COLOUR EZR - PAINT ALUMINIUM GREY
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE PALASSARI CLOTH + "MU" EFKA
UPHOLSTERY COLOUR "FM"
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) BE4-5L MANUAL GEARBOX
STEERING VARIABLE POWER STEERING
SPEEDOMETER DRIVE W/O TACHO TORQUE

Fuel supply-Engine
ENGINE DW10ATED TURBO DIESEL PARTICLE FILTER
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CYLINDER BLOCK (MATERIAL) CRANKCASE CAST IRON
FUEL DIESEL FUEL
EMISSIONS STANDARD (ENGINE) EEC 2000 DEPOLL (ENGINE)
ENGINE (TYPE) EW/DW
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OIL COOLER MNTG WATER/OIL EXCHANGER ON ENGINE
CRANKCASE GAS CIRCUIT HEATING W/O HEATER CASING GAS CIRCUIT
EOBD SELF-DIAGNOSIS SYSTEM WITHOUT "EOBD" AUTO-DIAGNOSTIC
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HYBRID ENGINE WITHOUT ALTERNATOR-STARTER
TANK FILTER RESERVOIR FILTER INTERIOR
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FINAL DRIVE RATIO REAR AXLE HYPOID GEARSET 19 X 70
SPEEDOMETER DRIVE W/O TACHO TORQUE
WHEEL STYLE 16 INCH ARIANE ALLOY WHEEL WITH 5 OPENINGS
GEARBOX TYPE (TYPE APPROVAL) GEARBOX BE4/5 L TYPE
DIFFERENTIAL (GEARBOX) DIFFERENTIAL 70
TYRE (SIZE, TYPE) TYRE 205X55X16 V
WHEELS FITTED 6,5" RIM ROAD WHEELS
WHEEL (TYPE) ALLOY WHEELS
GEARBOX TYPE GEARBOX BE4R

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ABS WITH ABS BRAKES
REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR DIAM 26
STEERING VARIABLE POWER STEERING
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SUSPENSION NORMAL SUSPENSION
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TOWBAR WITHOUT TOWBAR
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HEADLAMP WIPER W/O HEADLAMP WIPER
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ROOF GLASS WITHOUT ROOF WINDOW
BUMPER BODY COLOUR STANDARD FRONT/REAR BUMPER
MUDFLAP WITHOUT REAR MUDGUARD
FRONT FOGLAMP NO FRONT FOG LIGHTS
EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (DRIVER SIDE) DRIVER’S DOOR MIRROR ELECTRIC CONTROL
EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (PASSENGER SIDE) PASS EXT RRVIEW MIRROR NON HEATED ELECT CNTRL
SPARE WHEEL STEEL WHEEL + STANDARD TYRE
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SUN ROOF FIXED ROOF
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WINDOW (TYPE) ACOUSTIC WINDSCREEN EXCEPT SINGAPORE

Interior fittings
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE PALASSARI CLOTH + "MU" EFKA
ANTI-THEFT ALARM WITHOUT THEFT PROTECTION ALARM
REAR HEAD RESTRAINT REAR HEADREST ADJUSTABLE
FRONT HEAD RESTRAINT JOINTED FRONT HEADREST
REAR SEAT SEPARATE FOLD BACK BENCH SEAT
SUPPLEMENTARY SEAT WITHOUT SUPPLEMENTARY SEAT POSITN
REAR SEAT ARMREST WITHOUT REAR ARMREST
LOAD FLOOR MOULDING WITHOUT LOAD FLOOR STRIP
LUGGAGE COVER WITH LUGGAGE COVER
REAR SEATBELT REAR 3-POINT 3 INERTIA REEL SEAT BELT
FRONT SEATBELT PYROTECHNIC SEAT BELT WITH ALARM
CLIMATE (AMBIENT TEMP) TEMPERATE COUNTRIES
SPEED GRADUATIONS GRADUATION MPH
RADIO EQUIPMENT FEED AERIAL RECEIV FRT SPEAKER TWT REAR SPEAKER
DRIVING POSITION RIGHT HAND DRIVE
ADDITIONAL HEATING AUTOMATIC ADDITIONAL HEATING
DASHBOARD EQUIPMENT STANDARD DASHBOARD + BRIGHT SILVER ALUMINIUM PANEL
INT. TRIM AND EQUIPMENT VARIATION STANDARD INTERIOR EQUIPMENT DRESSING
LOUDSPEAKER 4 FR SPEAKERS (2 TW + 2 FR) + 2 RR SPEAKERS
RADIO CONTROLS REMOTE RADIO CONTROL WITHOUT CD FUNCTION
SCREENING (BLIND, SIDE SUNBLIND, SUNROOF) WITHOUT REAR BLIND
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT HEIGHT CONTROL WITHOUT FRONT PASSENGER SEAT HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT
DRIVER SEAT ADJUSTMENT WITHOUT DRIVER’S LUMBER AND SIDE SUPPORTS
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT ADJUSTMENT WITHOUT PASSENGER’S SIDE AND LUMBAR SUPPORTS
DRIVER’S SEAT FOLDING W/O FOLDING DRIV FRONT SEATING
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT FOLDING W/O FOLDING PASS FRONT SEATING
FRONT SEAT ARMREST ASSEMBLY WITHOUT FRONT ELBOW REST
EXTERIOR TEMP. INDICATOR EXT TEMP INDICATOR
COMPACT DISC WITHOUT COMPACT DISC
STOWAGE BIN WITHOUT SETTING BOX
SATELLITE NAVIGATION SYSTEM WITHOUT NAVIGATION SYSTEM
REAR WINDOW LIFT MAN CTRL REAR WINDOW LIFTER
DRIVER’S WINDOW LIFT SEQUENTIAL DRIVER’S ELECTRIC WINDOW
PASSENGER’S WINDOW LIFT SEQUEN CONTROL PASSENG FRONT WINDOW LIFTER
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COURTESY MIRROR DRIVER’S CONCEALABLE+PASS NON CONCEALABLE NO LIGHT
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HEATING ELEMENT NON HEATED SEAT
FRONT LATERAL AIRBAG THORAX SIDE + CURTAIN AIRBAG
PASSENGER AIRBAG PASSENGER AIRBAG
ELECTRIC WINDOW (OPERATION) DRIVER + PASSENGER ELECTRIC WINDOW AUTO STOP
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EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (HEATED) HEATED DOOR MIRROR
AIRBAG DEACTIVATION MANUAL AIRBAG DEACTIVATION
INTERIOR DOOR CONTROL (APPEARANCE) SILVER EFFECT INTERIOR DOOR HANDLE
FRONT SEAT GUARD WITHOUT CAB PROTECTION PANEL
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RADIO RECEIVER "RD3" RDS COMPACT DISC AUDIO SYSTEM
REFRIGERATION SINGLE AIR CONDITIONING
CRUISE CONTROL WITHOUT SPEED CONTROL
DRIVER’S SEAT HEIGHT CONTROL PARALLEL DRV HEIGHT ADJ
INTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR DAY -NIGHT INNER REAR MIRROR
DRIVER AIRBAG DRIVERS AIR BAG
LOAD SPACE STORAGE WITH BOOT TIDY
OBSTACLE DETECTION SYSTEM WITHOUT OBSTACLE DETECTOR
TRIM ADAPTATION GEAR LEVER KNOB CHROME INSERT
FLOOR MAT W/O CARPETMAT
EQUALISER AMPLIFIER WITHOUT EQUALISER AMPLIFIER
LOCKING CONTROL CENTRAL DEAD LOCKING
REAR QUARTER WINDOW (TYPE) WITHOUT REAR QUARTER GLASS
WINDOW (TYPE) ACOUSTIC WINDSCREEN EXCEPT SINGAPORE
STEERING WHEEL RUBBER STEERING WHEEL 3 BRANCH
FAN 1 FAN 2 SPEEDS IMPROVED 400W
RADIO-INFORMATION-COMMUNICATION PACK RADIO CD / INFO 2
DRIVER’S KNEE AIRBAG WITHOUT DRIVER’S KNEE AIRBAG

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ALTERNATOR ALTERNATOR 150 AMP
HORNS HORNS-HARMONY
BATTERY BATTERY L2 400
STARTER MOTOR STARTER MOTOR CL 5
SPECIAL LIGHTING WITHOUT PARTICULAR LIGHT
REVERSING LAMPS WITH 1 REVERSING LAMP
EXT. REARVIEW MIRROR COMP. FUNCTION EXT MIRROR MANUAL-FOLD BACK
MULTIPLEXING MULTIPLEXING ASSEMBLY CAN VAN
FRONT FOGLAMP NO FRONT FOG LIGHTS

Component manufacturers
BRAKE ASSOCIATED VARIANT ESP BOSCH 5 7
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH

Miscellaneous
SPECIAL SPECIFICATION STANDARD
ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS NORMAL ATMOSPHERE
DRIVING POSITION RIGHT HAND DRIVE
RADIO HEADPHONE SOCKET WITHOUT ACCESSORIES SOCKET
TRAFFIC SIDE DRIVING ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE
SIDE IMPACTS DOOR WITHOUT REINFORCEMENT
SET OF KEYS 2 HF PLIP KEYS
EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT W/O HELP EQUIPMENT
SURFACE CONDITIONS GOOD TERRAIN
EXTERIOR ACCESSORIES BODY COLOURED EXT HANDLE+FLAP TRIM+EXT MIRROR
SPEED MONITORING WITHOUT SPEED CHECK
SLAVE CONTROL UNIT BSI COMM 2000
 

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Wow, cant thank you all enough for your help.

Thank You.

So the plan is hopefully tomorrow if its not raining ill get down to my Dad's early. Get the it on car ramps, and give it a go.

I called Peugeot Parts, was put through to a really helpful and friendly guy. He said i need Eolys Fluid #42 (as mine is the early build - Thank you Brilec)

1 Litre was £60 pound and 5 litres was £200 (give or take a few quid)

He said the reservoir for a total fill up is 2.4 Litres

So i could only get hold of 2 Litres or 5 Litres, so i got 2 litres. It also comes with the filling kit. So the only hard part seems to be cleaning the DPF unit.

Just out of curiosity, do i have to be careful cleaning the DPF, any special way of cleaning it, is the soot dangerous inside, can the internals of the DPF be damaged in anyway ? (Sorry for all the silly questions, just want to make doubly sure)

Thank You Again

Little Pug
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Stand it upright over a drain, rear end uppermost, and pour boiling water into it. A few kettle fulls will be enough. Then let it drain as long as you can.
I blew mine through in the same direction with compressed air afterwards to remove even more water, but it still steamed a bit when I put it back on the car and started the engine.
 

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Ok Brilec,

Just another quick one, will it be ok clearing the additive counters when it not going to have the full amount in the reservoir, as i could only get 2 liters.

When you reset it, does it go to zero or to an amount that's a full top up. As i'm only sticking in 2 liters do i need to specify how much I'm putting in.

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks

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Hello All,

I cannot believe so much of a problem,

i cannot fill the Eolys fluid reservoir, the fluid is not going into the tank, there seems to be too much pressure building up, so it wont flow in, i'm making sure the bottle filling kit is fitted to the inlet pipe of the reservoir,

What am i doing wrong guys, it should flow slowly into the reservoir
 
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