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Hi there, I am new here, just joined because I thought I might be able to get some help with a Peugeot Expert Van, 2 litre Hdi, year 2001.

Here's my story : back in April, I bought above van from an advertiser on E-Bay (really wished I hadn't now in hindsight). I have basically been having massive problems with it ever since (on a random basis). It has been in and out of about half a dozen garages in the Somerset area. When I bought the van, it was driveable. However, after several dozens of miles it started cutting out while driving down the road, as in the complete system shut down such that you lose ability to steer or brake (very very dangerous on a motorway). Then, on multiple occasions, it would fail to start. The vehicle was looked at and what I thought eventually fixed by a garage in Taunton. Then I drove it to Newhaven to get the boat to France. En route, however, it started to develop problems such as stopping randomly, whenever it felt like it (terrible experience when it happened in rush hour at entrance to motorway, glad I was carrying 'Easystart'). In Newhaven itself, it actually broke down at the entrance to the ferry to go to France : I had to use 'Coldstart' to get it going because 'Easystart' would not do the job. Took the ferry to Dieppe. There, in Normandy, I would have several cut-outs (stoppages) on a daily basis. Got as far as Le Mans where it broke down in a supermarket car park. Got speaking to a local man in the car park who recommended a local garage. Went there and explained the problem (ie does not start)........they were able to fix it.........then I drove it back to St Malo without it ever cutting out again. Now I am back home (in Guernsey, Channel Islands) where the vehicle is now un-driveable because it won't start at all now. I was hoping to sell it, however, since I cannot start it, this is clearly impossible. As I have now spent more than £ 1,000 on this blasted van and basically lost 3 months of my life to it, I was wondering basically what the hell is wrong with it ?

The garage in Le Mans told me that the problem is not with the fuel pump/s. However, since they charged me £ 200 and 2 weeks later the van breaks down again, I don't know whether to believe them or not. Also, the garages in England that looked at my van, not one of them apart from the final garage that I saw in Taunton really knew what they were doing (and clearly they were useless because 2 days later the van broke down again). The usual thing seems to be to plug in a computer to read the engine error codes. For this you get charged upwards of £ 50. Then the garage then attempts to fix the vehicle, mostly they were incompetent, not fit to be in business. So, I have no confidence really in any garage fixing this van because not one of them has so far fixed my van. The garage in Le Mans, the chap that worked on my van, he said that he had exactly the same vehicle. Hmmmm. Still, that may be so, but now the van he fixed is now broken again. Also, sometimes, the van does not start in the rain. The van does not seem to like it too wet. And today, it does not like the weather because it is dry and sunny......and it won't start at all !

On my dashboard, there is a STOP message, also the picture of an engine is illuminated, which, according to the Peugeot Expert Handbook, is the "Engine auto-diagnosis" light. Reading the blurb, it says and quote "if it flashes or comes on, this indicates a fault in either the INJECTION, IGNITION, or EMISSIONS systems. Contact the dealer network ASAP".

Well, I have not contacted the dealer network because I refuse to pay upwards of £ 90 an hour to Peugeot dealers who still probably won't fix the problem.

Does anyone here have any ideas as to what is the problem with my 2001 Peugeot Expert Van 2 litre Hdi with 134,000 miles on the clock ? Would be much appreciated, I have given 3 months of my life to this blasted pile of c**P and spent every single penny of my money. I am now bankrupt, unless I can get this thing going and sell it, I am royally screwed, jeez, thanks Peugeot for making such a big pile of f*****g crap !!

Should I write to Peugeot U.K. and explain my problems to them ? Would this be worth it ? Or would they ignore my letter ?
 

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The most common issue with these types of problems is wiring the engine looms get brittle with age and cause poor connections hence it comes and goes we used to replace the engine looms once they started playing up.

The fuel pressure sensor wire gets worn through on the back of starter again causes random problems

Relay next to battery also causes issues

The fuel pumps are unlikely to be the real issue nor is the ecu but these always get blamed !!

Your unlikely to get much help on a Peugeot forum calling Peugeots crap !!

Expert vans are actually pretty good in fiat Peugeot or citroen guises way better than transits reliability wise and cheaper to run if you want real unreliability try a Renault traffic or fiat doblo
 
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There was an issue, albeit a while ago now, where there was an earth fault on the 2.0Hdi around 2000.

I believe there was a broken earth, quite well hidden, and this earth was responsible for the sensors i.e. fuel pressure, MAF, throttle pedal etc, which created similar symptoms to your Pug.

I can't be any more specific ( I'm off to bed...:D ) but maybe someone else could help out more specifically.
 

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Its worth a try, but they will probably fob you off in a very nice way ,I may add, my local one in Widnes Cheshire have been pretty good on advise for me on two occasions, but this masonry to do wit radio code many many moons ago on a 207 and just last week asking for my immobility code although I didn't follow through as I never needed it eventually
 

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To be honest it is not Peugeots that are crap it is the garages ability to repair them that is crap, I can think of many vehicles that are a lot more expensive than Peugeots and a lot less reliable including quite a few prestige cars. When I used to do autoelectronics I rarely saw a Peugeot or a Citroen, mostly big expensive marques from France's neighbour and their vans were no better. As for HDi's of the late 90's/early 2000's I agree with reliable406 unless someone has fueled it with petrol by mistake, which damages the HP diesel pump also fuel rail pressure transducer, depends what fault codes are being flagged up and whether anyone has bothered looking at the streaming data, most mechanics don't understand that bit but it is usually quite revealing. Diagnosis should be made by first reading the fault code which may or may not be precise, confirmation of fault is usually by streaming data, data logging or freeze frame data, if all else fails meter and scope, unfortunately most garages normally only do the first item which is probably fifty fifty whether it cures anything or not.
 

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I have just been speaking to some local garages here. One garage said that they have fixed several of these Peugeot Expert Vans that won't start. He mentioned that, in 7/10 cases, it was the "fuel solenoid" sometimes together with the "relay plate". Are these things that I can perhaps fit myself ? I don't really want to have to fork out another £ 200 to a garage whereby the only component they end up fitting is a little Bosch or other plastic item costing ten pounds !!
 

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Might be worth getting someone to try and start it while you wiggle every bit of cabling in the engine bay to see if you can find the bad connection. I would check the connections to the pump at the top of the fuel tank as well,
 

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I have just been speaking to some local garages here. One garage said that they have fixed several of these Peugeot Expert Vans that won't start. He mentioned that, in 7/10 cases, it was the "fuel solenoid" sometimes together with the "relay plate". Are these things that I can perhaps fit myself ? I don't really want to have to fork out another £ 200 to a garage whereby the only component they end up fitting is a little Bosch or other plastic item costing ten pounds !!
I am actually struggling to know what they mean by a "fuel solenoid" on an HDi as this term usually refers to the older mechanical injection pumps as fitted to the 1.9D. Does sound like another garage talking through their hat. Yes you could do that sort of work yourself it is quite straightforward but you will probably pay a lot more than a tenner for the parts. The advance solenoid for a 1.9D is around £65, as an example. Can you confirm that this is a 2.0 HDi and not a 1.9D as there is a big difference.
 

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I have just been speaking to some local garages here. One garage said that they have fixed several of these Peugeot Expert Vans that won't start. He mentioned that, in 7/10 cases, it was the "fuel solenoid" sometimes together with the "relay plate". Are these things that I can perhaps fit myself ? I don't really want to have to fork out another £ 200 to a garage whereby the only component they end up fitting is a little Bosch or other plastic item costing ten pounds !!
Maybe they were talking about a regulator.

I just picked an expert van from the many possibilities and found this - maybe this is what the garage meant.

 

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that's for the later engine which it DEFINATELY wont be :)

As I said already wiring is the no 1 culprit for strange goings on and plugging a code reader in and blindly fitting parts is NOT going to fix this try someone who fixes Peugeot taxis as they are more likely to know the van properly.
 

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Maybe they were talking about a regulator.

I just picked an expert van from the many possibilities and found this - maybe this is what the garage meant.

its a possibility Storeman, the only thing I could think of was the fuel pressure regulator, I'm just aware of reading threads on various Peugeot sites that some people and garages don't seem aware that there are two expert diesels being made concurrently with two different engines. It does seem to cause some confusion.
 

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Like I said, I just picked random choices for the expert van with a 2.0 HDi engine as we don't know the exact model and the nearest thing to a 'fuel solenoid' that I could find was the regulator. I wasn't suggesting this was the culprit, merely saying that maybe it's what the garage were referring to when they said "in 7/10 cases, it was the fuel solenoid".
 

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And that's exactly the problem every garage you go to will tell you something different some know what they are talking about some don't and the solenoid you linked to can cause issues but only on 2007 onwards vans

There are so many possible reasons for faults that can give the same or similar symptoms and there is no 1 fix for every vehicle the OP is under the impression its Peugeots fault or its the previous sellers fault but in all honesty it needs to go to someone familiar with the vans to have any hope of curing it if it came to me I would be looking at the engine harness

Taking it to lots of different garages is simply wasting time as each time it arrives at the garage its a fresh case its much better to go back to the same person as they will know what they have already checked.
 

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Peugeot Expert Van 2 litre Hdi

Hi there it's me the original poster here again. I can confirm that my van is a 2001 2 litre Hdi

I have just got back home after having had the van delivered on the back of a removal lorry to a local garage. I authorised them to do 2 hours of work on it. Shouldn't have bothered in hindsight as the outcome of their work was nothing. Their words in quotes are what the mechanic told me on the phone after 2 hours of his time on it this morning :-

"diagnostics machine shows multiple errors"
"found metal particles in fuel filter"
"don't know what the problem is" (as in "no idea mate" !!)


Honestly, my impression with the mechanics is that they are incompetent, because :-

1) garages that I had been to in England and in France had computers that could correctly read the error codes. Here on the tiny island of Guernsey, it turns out that the person who attempted diagnostics on this van either was incapable of using the equipment correctly or they were using the wrong machinery to read Peugeot ECU error codes.

2) people that say "I don't know what the problem is" or "it could cost you thousands", I think are idiots. Furthermore, the bloke said that if he so much as even opened up the fuel pump, it would mean replacing it at a cost of £ 800, then he went on about common rail this, common rail that blah blah blah. All I can say is, I am not impressed and have now lost another £ 150 for non-repairs. My Father thinks that I should dump the van. Which got me thinking, maybe I could sell it locally for spare or repairs for £ 750 because then some other punter can attempt to get it fixed for several hundreds of pounds ?
 

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To be honest if there is metal filings in the fuel filter just offload the van on to someone else as this may well turn into a very expensive job.
 

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There are ALWAYS a small amount of filings in the filter this means nothing unless its lots

WIRING HARNESS is the main reason for unexplained unexplainable errors

The whole engine harness comes complete from Peugeot and takes 3 hours to fit at most this cured EVERY taxi we had with unexplainable errors cutting out non starting issues the second most common thing was the relay next to the battery then bad connections

EVERY taxi had 400k miles at least when sold NONE had fuel pumps replaced most had injectors replaced but half the time this was because they would not come out !

These vans are GOOD VANS try a transit or Renault traffic see how unreliable things can get :)
 

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There are ALWAYS a small amount of filings in the filter this means nothing unless its lots

WIRING HARNESS is the main reason for unexplained unexplainable errors

The whole engine harness comes complete from Peugeot and takes 3 hours to fit at most this cured EVERY taxi we had with unexplainable errors cutting out non starting issues the second most common thing was the relay next to the battery then bad connections

EVERY taxi had 400k miles at least when sold NONE had fuel pumps replaced most had injectors replaced but half the time this was because they would not come out !

These vans are GOOD VANS try a transit or Renault traffic see how unreliable things can get :)
Well I would tell that to the last company I worked for because they had three Hdi's do exactly the same thing, HP fuel pump failure that contaminated the entire fuel system with metal filings, at the time Pug dealers wanted £3500 to replace the entire fuel system, needless to say they no longer buy PSA diesels. Was a common problem with HDi fuel pumps going back 10 or so years ago.
 

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A leak off test on the injectors would show any that are defective and whether the filings have caused one to stick open causing low fuel pressure preventing starting. Probably worth doing this before buying a new wiring harness. You don't need diagnostics to do this (or replace the harness) and can be DIY if you are careful!
The problem as you have found is that most mechanics are hopeless when it comes to correctly diagnosing the problem. Vans like yours are hated as they know how difficult it is to diagnose with any certainty, much easier to change brake pads and discs to make ££.
 

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The cause of these failures was what exactly ?

Poor fuel quality using dirty fuel red diesel etc not changing filters regularly will kill pumps but properly serviced and keeping fuel levels high will keep them lasting a long time both the mechanical pump AND the electric tank pump.

You have my permission to tell them that :)

2006 onwards pumps do fail with major damage caused to camshaft as a result but older pumps I recon I have seen 2 failed in hundreds of hdis its not a common issue.
 
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