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In the ight of the toxin tax news here in the UK is the GT really a good choice? It conforms (just) to Euro 6 standards but are its days without further penalty already numbered in the UK?
Probably, but as with most things with the UK government it takes years and years to introduce new regulations. This new one doesn't start until 2019 and doesn't affect any of us buying the new 3008 diesels. By the time they start penalising Euro 6 cars mine will probably be past its usable life anyway.
 

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Probably but like Ribs said we have two years before it comes into force and at the moment we change our car every 3 years so it won't hit us for that long. The manufacturers really need to get their ass in gear now on the hybrid/full electric engines and give us something that will relieve range anxiety. I'm hoping our next car will be all electric.
 

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Probably but like Ribs said we have two years before it comes into force and at the moment we change our car every 3 years so it won't hit us for that long. The manufacturers really need to get their ass in gear now on the hybrid/full electric engines and give us something that will relieve range anxiety. I'm hoping our next car will be all electric.
We've already taken the plunge into full electric and bought an iON. Its range is not great at 60-70 miles but it suits us for most of our journeys.

We'll use the 3008 for longer journeys and holidays in our caravan.
 

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We're a one car household and couldn't afford a second car so for me I want an electric car that can be an all round performer and not just a city car. I am hoping the Tesla 3 can be the car to break down the barrier.
 

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Probably but like Ribs said we have two years before it comes into force and at the moment we change our car every 3 years so it won't hit us for that long. The manufacturers really need to get their ass in gear now on the hybrid/full electric engines and give us something that will relieve range anxiety. I'm hoping our next car will be all electric.
Just to clarify, do you mean you change your car every 3 years rather than us as a collective? I tend to change every 10 years at the very least and I can see from other posts that there are many on here that don't swap cars every 3 years. Is it a bad purchase for those type of buyers?
 

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Yes, when I say we I mean my wife and I. For me, I lease cars at the moment so the car only has a 3 year life with us. We do this because we are wedding photographers and I prefer to have cars that are under 3 years old to minimise the risk of breakdown on a wedding day. Yes, I know there is risk on any car but I prefer to minimise it with new cars.
 

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I'd love to see an honest debate on the subject. Diesel cars count towards a tiny fraction of the Nox pollution in london. The majority comes from coal fired power stations/aviation/trains etc. I read less than 5% is cars and only a fraction of that diesel. Taxing londoners in posh houses with trendy wood burning stoves would have a far greater effect on emissions.
Also lets be clear. If we all switch to electric we'd require 20 more Nuclear power stations to be built immediately to support the charging requirements. We can't build one never mind 20, so we'd have to massively online new coal fired power stations which massively chuck out Nox.
 

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I'd love to see an honest debate on the subject. Diesel cars count towards a tiny fraction of the Nox pollution in london. The majority comes from coal fired power stations/aviation/trains etc. I read less than 5% is cars and only a fraction of that diesel. Taxing londoners in posh houses with trendy wood burning stoves would have a far greater effect on emissions.
Also lets be clear. If we all switch to electric we'd require 20 more Nuclear power stations to be built immediately to support the charging requirements. We can't build one never mind 20, so we'd have to massively online new coal fired power stations which massively chuck out Nox.
Not sure I agree with your argument about needing 20 more power stations if everyone bought electric cars because most cars are charged overnight when the grid is less utilised.

But with regards to hitting diesel drivers with a tax for driving in London, this has nothing to do with pollution really it's just an easy way of taxing people and using the threat of lives being saved to justify it.

Remember when they introduced the congestion charge in London, it's aim was to reduce congestion but the last time I drove in London it was stop/start 90% of the journey, I wonder why they didn't remove the congestion charge because it clearly didn't work :confused: Oh wait I remember, they put the charge up to deter people, how's that working out?
 

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Quite right, all the fuss about diesel vehicles being responsible for the pollution is just another excuse to clobber the motorist. How can anybody take it seriously when they plan to build a third runway at Heathrow, and spend tens of billions on new rail links. On the other hand I do wish they had offered the GT with a petrol alternative, and that the hybrid had been launched simultaneously.
 

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Not sure I agree with your argument about needing 20 more power stations if everyone bought electric cars because most cars are charged overnight when the grid is less utilised.

But with regards to hitting diesel drivers with a tax for driving in London, this has nothing to do with pollution really it's just an easy way of taxing people and using the threat of lives being saved to justify it.

Remember when they introduced the congestion charge in London, it's aim was to reduce congestion but the last time I drove in London it was stop/start 90% of the journey, I wonder why they didn't remove the congestion charge because it clearly didn't work :confused: Oh wait I remember, they put the charge up to deter people, how's that working out?
The 20 powerstations is probably a daily mail statistic :) But I believe the load on the network of 30millions vehicles being charged, would require many more powerstations to be built. The current requirements to charge an electric car are very high with many fast chargers running at 450v like the cooker circuit does.
 

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The 20 powerstations is probably a daily mail statistic :) But I believe the load on the network of 30millions vehicles being charged, would require many more powerstations to be built. The current requirements to charge an electric car are very high with many fast chargers running at 450v like the cooker circuit does.
No electric car charges at 450v at home (neither do cookers use 450v). An Electric car only charges at a higher voltage when at a Rapid Charge station and this is only for up to 30 minutes. At home my car charges at 240v overnight and draws about 6 Amps.

There are plans in the pipeline already to better manage charging electric cars at home overnight which will help smooth out the usage.

Back to the Diesel tax coming in 2019, I just read an article which says that Black taxis will be exempt, what a total joke this is as they must be the biggest polluters, whenever you see them pull away they always leave a big plume of black smoke behind. Instead of penalising normal motorists why not insist all black taxis must be electric by 2019!
 

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Quite right, all the fuss about diesel vehicles being responsible for the pollution is just another excuse to clobber the motorist. How can anybody take it seriously when they plan to build a third runway at Heathrow, and spend tens of billions on new rail links. On the other hand I do wish they had offered the GT with a petrol alternative, and that the hybrid had been launched simultaneously.
This is a massive issue in all major cities across the world.
Reducing it to 'revenue raising' is just the sort of stuff you get from the media that tells you what you want to believe.
Tell the children's hospital doctors perhaps
 
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