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So, the moment I buy a used 308 GT 180 HDI, the entire diesel world blows up through emissions rigging.

I haven't yet seen or heard much from Peugeot on this and the dealers seem clueless as to whether Peugeots are impacted.

What do you reckons guys, are the Peugeot diesel effected or not as it seems regulators are pulling VW apart!
 

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What difference does it actually make ?

Ok the emissions readings are false but at least our vehicle excise is less as the readings are low.

The low readings are forced on the manufacturers by the EU etc they do it because they HAVE to

Car emission readings are always and always have been a mixed bag the tests manufacturers use are not the same as everyday driving so both MPG and emissions will vary in real use.

That applies to petrol and diesels.

They can even vary from different drivers !!

I do not believe modern diesels are any greener than diesels from the 80s as they use MORE fuel in some cases if you removed all the emission crap from a modern diesel it would probably do 5 mpg more and make the same pollution !
 

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if they made diesels run on bio diesel or veg oil then the emissions would be off set against the plant grown it would also mean that you would not need all the extra crap like a cat or dpf filter and that in turn would save more emissions as they then would not need to get the expensive metal to make these and would not need to use energy making them
 

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I agree with all that but problem is modern engines cannot run straight veg it is simply too thick you hear people claim they are running it now and again but they soon dissapear when their fuel system packs in :)

older engines work fine on it but the government seem to think old diesels are bad :)

Electric is the future with built in petrol engines for generation where necessary these could even be running on lpg or even hydrogen.

Pure electric power is never going to appeal to the masses even though it is the best option
 

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Full electric will only become mainstream if petrol/diesel or lpg was no longer available. The range is too short and with a long charging time required against the couple of minutes required to top up a fuel tank makes them pretty much useless to anyone wishing to do a long journey or for people whose jobs require driving all day. If a viable large capacity, light & cheap battery pack is ever developed this might change but that doesn't seem like it will become a reality anytime soon.
 

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The code is not to fool people it was simply used to lower emissions during testing they DID NOT do it to sell cars exactly they done it to satisfy the EU regulations that is why i fail to see what all the fuss is about its not a safety thing like their ABS issues they were quite happy to fob people off with that one !!

Electric cars ARE viable most people could alter their routine slightly to make them viable even on long journeys modern electric cars can do 100 miles per charge that is more than enough for a commute to work then plug it in at work and its ready for the return journey !
 

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Electric cars will always be held back by battery technology/chemistry and the cost of lithium batteries is huge. Ever noticed the battery life on you phone drops with time/ charges? That will happen with car batteries. And then there is the energy returned on energy invested which is why hydrogen will also be limited. All these technologies push the pollution somewhere else and often create more with the manufacturing than standard cars or engines do. For me it's like fair trade coffee....makes the middle classes feel good about themselves after spending a few quid extra. :LOL:
 

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You are in belgium you must see electric peugeots and citroens running around i know i did when i visited france

Peugeot have been making them for years its nothing new !

Yes batteries are the biggest issues but who really needs more than 100 miles per charge on a daily basis i can do 100 miles a day easily but NOT in 1 stint.

As i say people could change their routine to suit electric its just most see this 100 mile range as a problem when its not really
 

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Belgium is the home of the fleet car (nearly 60%) and most are diesel. Hybrids and electrics are just being pushed now. Many people commute huge distances as a travel allowance for work is generally paid, so commutes of over 100km are not unusual.

For me, I often commute by bike as it is often quicker than by car even though I also have a company car
 

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Volkswagen set up a system to bypass normal running settings specifically to meet USA regulations.
Just about every diesel car is dirtier in the real world than in strictly controlled testing conditions.
Biodiesel is a sop to the enviromentalists, to meet the UK's needs most of Europe would have to grow nothing else.

I don't know the answer, taking steps to reverse population growth might be a good start. No politician is going to advocate this I'll bet.

Roger.
 

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Thats exactly my point i do not see what all the fuss is about it makes NO difference to the car in any way it just means it seemed cleaner than it really is.

All these people on the news saying they feel cheated and their car is worth less etc its all rubbish :)
 

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I guess people could feel cheated given that (certainly in Belgium) diesels have been pushed hard as being better for the environment and more economical. When you hear stories about proposals to ban diesels in the centre of London and other big cities people could feel aggrieved.

Biodiesel, LPG, electric are not the panacea that the green lobby would have you believe....they may be less black at best taking into account the manufacturing supply chain, maintenance and energy considerations.

I always think with these things it pays to follow the money and then you will probably get your answer and for VW, it appears it was worth the risk even if they will now get hammered....
 
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