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Hello all,

I've a 2005 Peugeot Partner (Escapade) 2.0 HDI.

Really struggling to turn over, currently using a jumper battery to get it going.

Have been working through the probable causes with a mechanic - tried another battery, checked all the starter wiring and connections.

Now at a point where we're going to replace the starter motor.

Came across the following post on a Berlingo forum, could be what I'm experiencing:

I now know what the problem is and my Blingo is in full working order again.

Due to emissions requirements, the "far too clever for its own good" ECU does not deliver fuel to the injectors until the cranking speed reaches a certain value. In my case it turned out that it was the battery which had dropped enough performance in the cold to stop the critical speed being reached, new battery sorted it for me. The other common cause is a tired starter motor which triggers the same problem and Polar must have had this issue.

Citroen do a cold climate starter motor which is geared differently and spins the motor faster, a dealer tweak for cars having problems is to fit one of these apparently. Doesn't seem to be necessary if your battery and starter are up to scratch however.

I have spent a fortune and hours on this problem, I hope I can save someone else from doing the same.
Does anyone know the what the right starter is for my model? EuroCarParts etc, can't help me here. They throw up a number of starters with different teeth.

A photo of the gubbins if this helps - I can dig out the vin too.



Any thoughts or help greatly appreciated!
 

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Get a 1.7 kw starter for any 2 litre HDI your original is 1.4 i have never really understood why so many variants are listed as they all fit !!
Ta!

The variants listed have different lengths, teeth numbers, flange sizes - but they'll all fit aye?

Just double checking before I click through the checkout...
 

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I have swapped literally hundreds of starters on 2 litres and ALL have fitted ALL cars/vans

Only difference i have ever seen was on autos they can sometimes be longer.
 

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Starter turned up, went in to get it swapped...

Mechanic said it's a no go - the one ordered has 11 teeth, the one fitted 10.

Back to the drawing board!

Anyone know of a 1.7 starter with 11 teeth?



 

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I never even count the teeth never had an issue just try it you may be surprised :)

Peugeots part number wont tell you how many teeth the pinions have i have swapped starters between berlingos experts 406s 807s 206s 307s c8s etc etc they ALL swap !
 

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I never even count the teeth never had an issue just try it you may be surprised :)

Peugeots part number wont tell you how many teeth the pinions have i have swapped starters between berlingos experts 406s 807s 206s 307s c8s etc etc they ALL swap !
Ach, well now! I've just paid my mechanic to take the starter out only to say he wouldn't fit this one as there could be negative consequences...

I don't not believe you - but is there any information you could refer me to be confirm the cross-compatibility of these starters?
 

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Only the fact i have swapped hundreds over the years !

Who is to say the 1 you have removed is right !!

Even the non HDI starters fit as in 306 d turbo etc you will probably find that as well as the extra tooth the pinion is a different overall size and the motor case is sightly different which brings it all into alignment with the ringgear.

When the starter is engaged there are probably only 2 teeth actually touching at any given time i doubt very much the extra tooth is going to make any difference
 

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It may also have less teeth as bigger starter has a lower rotation speed. If the teeth pitch is the same it should be fine
 

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Tell them to look up the OEM Number 5802W5 which is one of the starters for your Van

Bosch cross reference shows starters with 10, 12 or 13 teeth as a direct replacement.
 
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