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I fancy a project. My '57 plate 207 HDI sport 110 has been a good car and my girlfriend likes it too. Tarox discs all round and Bilstein B6 dampers sharpened it up nicely ?

But my job means I have to get to work up a steep hill and only 4wd (or snow chains) will do the job. Snow chains are a pain to fit with cold hands, so . . .

Has anyone suggestions on a "parts bin" conversion? I remember reading about a 205 with engine, gearbox and rear end from a 405 Mi16x4 ?

It would need to be a 4wd gearbox from a diesel model to get the gearing right.

Does that suggest any ideas, please?
 

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405 4 wheel drive was made by a company called dangel they made various 4 wheel drive models including vans also a few citroen models but the parts used in them will be hard to find AND totally different to your 207 parts.

They do still exist but mainly do van conversions now
 

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Its not worth the effort, just buy an awd or 4wd vehicle or fit winter tyres. Never had any issues with snow and winter tyres in my 208/308/3008 and I live in a hilly area of the UK.
 

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last year i got stuck twice with my big wide wheels, got annoying as everyone else drove past in their little cars, not worth me getting winter tyres but may invest in a can of snow tyre spray.
Remember a car on top gear that just sprayed the tyres if needed, no idea if this stuff works though.
 

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Proper winter tyres will give amazing grip on icy roads nowadays, even a land rover on summer road tyres would be in trouble in wintry conditions.
If you want a fun project and are prepared to spend quite a lot of money by all means go ahead.
Where are you that you need a 4wd anyway?.
I agree with the other posters, just buy a car that left the factory with 4wd.

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I am preparing my subaru for the winter as it was not on the road last year and i did miss it i still got around fine in my clio and espace though so its not essential
 

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Thanks. The 405 was just an example of what's possible.

I see there was a 4x4 3008 and 4007, but I doubt it would be a sensible option to try converting with the rear end of those.

It seems there is no 4wd Peugeot in my price range.

An A4 quattro is good value at the moment . . .

And yes, I do need 4wd. Winter tyres help, but they just mean I get halfway up the hill on black ice, instead of struggling at the bottom. Halfway is no good to me and snow chains are a pain to fit, tension and adjust.

Jimny for simplicity, A4 for brill handling in the snow ?
 

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I like the thinking here :)

During my recent fettling of the 207 I discussed with wifey how it has a HUGE transmission tunnel for a fwd car and questioned wether it was done for homologation purposes???

Converting one to 4wd MUST be possible and what an amazing wee beastie it would be :) :) The only downside is the front dam is so low it'd self destruct in any depth of snow :-( :-(

Means going outside the marque but what about cannablising an older Imprezza and swinging the HDI through 90 degrees??

I've never looked under the bonnet of a 4Motion Golf but I'm presuming it's transverse - possible donor???

I'll be watching if you decide to go for it :) :) :)
 

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4007 is a mitsubishi with a peugeot badge :)

Subaru bellhousing area is tiny so clutch would be an issue easier just to buy a subaru :)

AUDI/VW system is all built on alloy subframes that are pretty bulky so take a lot of re-engineering
 

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There was a french vehicle called an Auverland, which had a Peugeot engine. Sort of Land Rover. Also I have seen the Gendarmerie using Peugeot badged Land Rover type vehicles.

But all the car AWDs were, as said above, conversions by Dangel.

You could always go for the poor man's Range Rover, a 4WD Fiat Panda.
 

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Panda was surprisingly good :)

The land rover type vehicle the french use is a peugeot p4 based on a mercedes G wagon !

Point is none of these are much good for converting a 207 only real option would be a partner or berlingo dangel and swap the running gear over but would be a huge amount of work.
 

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Means going outside the marque but what about cannablising an older Imprezza and swinging the HDI through 90 degrees??

I've never looked under the bonnet of a 4Motion Golf but I'm presuming it's transverse - possible donor???

I'll be watching if you decide to go for it ? ? :)
Audi is complicated. As far as I know the Coupé quattro and A4, A6 and A8 all use an inline engine and gearbox and 3 diffs (Torsen centre). Very good in ice and snow, but handling and economy a bit compromised.

A3 (and I guess A5) use the transverse engine and Haldex (I think?) hydraulic clutch arrangement that brings the rear in whenever the front wheels spin. Some people like that, but I'm not a fan of it and I think VW use the same system.

I once got "heroically" drunk and drew out a way of converting a BL Mini gearbox with a new diff housing, driving a propshaft and a second front subframe in the rear. Everyone said it looked doable, but I lost the paper before I was sober ?
 

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Your mini gearbox design is pretty much the way dangel done the 405s transfer case is driven from side of diff i had a few of them over the years and although they were good they were not as good as a subaru for example.

There were 2 gearbox/transfer case versions made as early models had failures at the diff area front shafts were opposite way round IE longer at passenger side the prop led to what was essentially a 505 saloon rear diff and it had hight adjustable rear suspension using citroen parts to make it lift

Modern dangels use similar but more purpose made parts if you HAD to do it a crashed partner would probably be the best doner
 

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I once got "heroically" drunk and drew out a way of converting a BL Mini gearbox with a new diff housing, driving a propshaft and a second front subframe in the rear. Everyone said it looked doable, but I lost the paper before I was sober ?
Going way off topic, but BMC actually built a Mini Moke with a Mini engine/gearbox assembly at both ends. I think this was around 1967, and it was just an experimental prototype.
With big wheels apparently it was very capable off road, but cost more to build than a Land Rover. Nothing came of it.

Roger.
 
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