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Hokay :)

So - have a 57 plate 407 2.0HDi estate (131K on the clock) which i picked up today after my dodgy old focus decided to throw it's gearbox all over the road in disgust!

However, I get a "Particle filter Additive level too low" fault on starting.

This was cheap, Cheerful, and as far as i can see had most of the major work done... (Ex-private company car so no real expense spared going by the service/work history...)

Nov 12 - Replaced Particulate Fluid and re-calibrate. Filter Regenerated. Advisory of "Particulate fluid fault still showing after refilling and calibration. Suspect Faulty Fuel cap sensor"

Dec 12 - Replaced Fuel Cap sensor

However problem seems to still remain - Still get this come up when the car is started.

It wouldnt be empty already would it ??!! It has only done 10K since this work...

Is it anything to worry about??

Anyone any clues where to go from here?

All this was carried out by a company called "Citronics" who are a Citroen and Peugeot "specialist" in Herts....

On a side note, was looking at possibly picking up the Peugeot Planet sw/hw package. Could anyone point me in the cheapest however working direction at all please? Have used the standard Ford ODB/ODBII software with a Bluetooth i/f on the Ford with no problems in the past (interestingly looks like the same 16 pin connector as the bluetooth interface i currently have - anyone know if i can use a standard ODUII reader to at least read any error codes int he meantime?), so have a rough understanding etc of how they work and what they can do....

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Hiya David,

Interesting :)

the only error it comes up with (bearing in mind this is using a standard ODBII reader (EasyOdbII V2.2.0) is...

P1446

Which apparently (after a google, since it comes up with "manufacturer specific on my ODB") as "Evaporative vac solenoid circuit malfunction"

This comes up under both stored DTC and Pending DTC

No other alarms are present.

The google i did suggests they are related, tho i could be wrong? :D

Thanks
Paul
 

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I wonder if, despite being a "specialist" they set the apprentice loose on this and didnt clear the error codes properly... I keep reading about there being TWO places in PP that this needs to be reset when topped up/cleaned out?? (from posts it's not particularly clear where this is though - "pef maintenance or the fap filter ecu"??)

Unfortunately I don't have (or have access to) PP yet -not for long! - so can't relate.... however would like to think that it hasn't thrown all the addative out without the garage noticing...

It's only been present for a few months (10k miles), and as previously mentioned in the first post, they recalibrated AND advised that the "fault" wouldn't clear on the same service... and recommended the change of the fuel cap sensor, which was done a week later. There's no notes on that service record as to if it cleared or not....
 
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That fault above is a ghost fault. Its in loads of them.
Get a proper garage who knows about DPF systems to look at it. Theres so many places that haven't a clue.
 

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Cheers David...

I'll do a manual check of the fluid level in the fluid tank first and also throw PP on to reset the relevant parameters if the fluid level is good (and confirm diags on PP to make sure actuation seems to be working correctly... seeing as the DPF was regenerated 10K ago i might go for a rant at 3k RPM to see if that has any effect too... And after all that if i'm still stuck then I guess i'll book it in.

Anyone any recommendations for a DECENT dealer (either Pug however preferably independent) around the Birmingham Area at all?

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Cheers David...

I'll do a manual check of the fluid level in the fluid tank first and also throw PP on to reset the relevant parameters if the fluid level is good (and confirm diags on PP to make sure actuation seems to be working correctly... seeing as the DPF was regenerated 10K ago i might go for a rant at 3k RPM to see if that has any effect too... And after all that if i'm still stuck then I guess i'll book it in.

Anyone any recommendations for a DECENT dealer (either Pug however preferably independent) around the Birmingham Area at all?

Cheers
Paul
Not UK based so haven't a clue.
You could call in to me if your Ireland bound. Sort that out no problem. :thumb:
 

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Dont tempt me David - I like a road trip :D

And almost on queue this morning....

"Depollution system faulty" with engine management light making an appearance....

Oh Joy.....

Can i still go for a regenerate when there's a "Particle filter Additive level too low" alert? (i.e. 3-4K revs for 20 mins on the motorway...)??

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Thanks David for your advice - bottle of Wynns DPF cleaner, 40L of shell Diesel and a blast on the motorway later for me then (I joke not!) :D
 

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Typically stopped at halfords on the way home last night and Picked up some Wynns. When I came out, started up and "Depollution system faulty" had gone. Typical!

So - Filled up and shoved the Wynns in anyhow, Rant on the motorway (How is it possible to get 41MPG at 3k Revs in 3rd - that's amazing!)...

All seems ok this morning :) (well i still have the additive too low, however that's for checking later!)

Also had a result - picked up a PP kit last night so hopefully after a day of pain installing everything, hopefully i should be able to diagnose something later :)
 

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Hmm.. thats not good. I knew about the Additive alert (much check that out - i used Wynns and shell fuel about 1k miles ago and that cleared the "DPF fault" light that appeared the previous day :)

Interestingly, when i connected to PP, i could not access the additive actuator test to check or actuate - kept coming back with something along the lines of unable to find Additive ECU or similar...

Oh why cant things be simple ;)

Any advice gratefully received. From what i have read it's a fuel filter change tomorrow as a first instance - nice and easy and accessible, and less than £20...

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I bought my 407 privately 2 months ago - it is the 136bhp 2.0 hdi (auto) with 100k miles on the clock. The guy who I bought it off said the "Particle filter Additive level too low" had just started showing on the dash (he seemed very genuine and knocked some money off the sale). During the first week of ownership the warning light only came on every now and then but has since alerted me on every journey. The car has also started to judder every now and then I finally got round to getting it topped up at Arbury Peugeot Walsall yesterday. It cost me £177.92 and when I collected it I was informed that the warning is still. The report reads "Topped up additive, It is now half full, customer to do a long run to get the filter unblocked as showing on display, if filter does not unblock vehicle will need some more additive and a regen carried out". I was told that additional additive and regen would cost a further £207. I drove up the m54 fro 20 mins on cruise control at 70mph last night. Then did the same coming back home and the light is still on. Also it did the juddering thing again on the way home.

I am sceptical of the dealer and feel like I am being ripped off. Firstly why did they only fill it half full? Secondly I have read that a regen goes not always do the trick so would I be better off spending the additional £200 on either new filter or dpf removal? I dont want to spend a total of £385 to be still in square one! Also Why is the display showing additive low and not filter blocked or whatever???

Sorry for the long post. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Mine was similar to yours - bought from a non-pug dealer - DPF additive level low showing on the dash. checking back through recent work done it was only topped up 10K ago, however they did note that they were unable to clear the "level low" alert. So last night, finally after a lot of help from the guys on here, i managed ( i think!!) to reset it - Well lets just say it didn't come up this morning when i started it!

I believe (tho i could be wrong!) that it's a 5L tank. They should have "topped up" with 3L of additive, which should make it good for around another 80K miles. Sounds like, if you are still getting the "Additive level low" alarm they have forgotten to reset the counters in the ECU. If you are getting "DPF FAULT" or similar, then yes, it needs a rant up the motorway in 3rd at 3K RPM for 15 mins to get the DPF to regen.

Personally if it's still got the "Additive level too low" alarm up, i would take it back and tell them that they have forgotten to reset the levels in the ECU.... that should have been done as part of the refill.....

Oh and just to add - i did have the "DPF fail" come up - filled with Shell instead of supermarket fuel alongside hoofing a bottle of Wynns in and it went after around a mile....!!

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Thanks for the info Toibs. Just been on the phone to Arbury Peugeot again. Spoke to the service manager and he tells me that my fluid tank is a big one (not sure why) as far as DFP fluid tanks go. It is a 6 litre tank. There is now apparently 3L in the tank and the computer is telling them that there is still not enough fluid to complete a forced regen. I dont know if I actually need a regen or if I just need more fluid. And if all I need is more fluid why did they not just put more fluid in when they were topping up?? I feel like they are just trying to rip me off because now i will have to pay for another hour labour when I take it back and Im not even sure it needs a regen.

He did say that the juddering is probably when the car is trying to regen itself but can't which does make sense and is what I thought it might be. I found a guide on here about cleaning the filter. I think I might try that later - might stop the juddering.

I just cant understand why if there is 3L of fluid in the tank regardless of tank size it is still telling me its still low?
 
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Sure if they filled it up with the six litres you'd be complaining more about the price. You've complained already about the price for three litres. They were doing you a favour not trying to rip you off by putting a minimum amount into save you money. Fair enough they lad doing it may not have reset the counters in the ecu but its hardly a crime.
 

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As far as i was aware, 3L was the "standard" refill when it needs replacing at 80k/100k (tho i could well be wrong!) - Surely 3L in the tank would be more than enough to allow a regen to be carried out, forced or "au naturel", else it would be routine to have to replace the DPF every time the tank is filled.. ???

David - On a side note, do you know if it is allowable to Mix Oleys 176 and Infinium in the same tank?? :) cheers
 
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Yes indeed it will. Call back to the garage and liase with them about the issue and give them a chance to put it right.
 

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I can see what you are saying davidireland but I am going to have to take it back to put more in anyway because the warning is still showing on the dash I would have preferred if they had rang me and said we put 3L in and its not cleared the warning do you want us to put another 3L in? Then it would not have cost me an extra 1 hour labour and time taking it back for a second time.
 
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