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the above warning light as come on and its been on for the last 200 miles does the filter need replacing and if any one knows what would it cost or can it be done easily enough at home also what effect would it have on the perfomance of the engine if left thanks
 

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Hi,

Sorry to hear about the problem mate..

Unfortunately, it cant be done at home.. because, the car computer needs to be told that its done.. and it can only be done on PSA Diag.. The Particle filter looks like a bottle of champagne with hundreds of holes in it. Its usually cleaned with a jet wash. Once cleaned.. The particle filter oil reservoir needs to be topped up.. and then you are good for another 80,000 miles.. it does not effect the engine as such.. its just annoying that the car runs sluggish and with no power.. also you might see the car smoking.

£1200 is a bit steep.. depends who you go to.. I got mine changed and fuel topped up for £400 inclusive.. I didnt get a new filter, but got the refurbed one that Peugeot gets from france..

but dont worry.. it wont effect your car..
 

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Scotcruz is spot on Pal. Although I thought the intervals for checking the FAP system was 60k, but I'm happy to be corrected on this, lol. Anyway, I agree £1200 is astronomical, I can only assume that the dealer you contacted was quoting you for a brand new FAP filter, where as, any dealer worth their salt would be quoting you for an Exchange FAP, and therefore keeping the cost down to around what Scotcruz paid for his. Glad you got it sorted though, there are some great independants out there. Anyone who might be looking for a good independant in the North West area, PM me and I'll put in touch with a great guy, he's mobile, and has full Peugeot Diag equipment.
 

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I think it would be great to share best practices and contacts with all members... any suggestions ?
 

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Scotcruz said:
Hi,

Sorry to hear about the problem mate..

Unfortunately, it cant be done at home.. because, the car computer needs to be told that its done.. and it can only be done on PSA Diag.. The Particle filter looks like a bottle of champagne with hundreds of holes in it. Its usually cleaned with a jet wash. Once cleaned.. The particle filter oil reservoir needs to be topped up.. and then you are good for another 80,000 miles.. it does not effect the engine as such.. its just annoying that the car runs sluggish and with no power.. also you might see the car smoking.

£1200 is a bit steep.. depends who you go to.. I got mine changed and fuel topped up for £400 inclusive.. I didnt get a new filter, but got the refurbed one that Peugeot gets from france..

but dont worry.. it wont effect your car..

Absolutely spot on mate. :thumb:
 

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details of the mobile repair man please.......

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Scotcruz is spot on Pal. Although I thought the intervals for checking the FAP system was 60k, but I'm happy to be corrected on this, lol. Anyway, I agree £1200 is astronomical, I can only assume that the dealer you contacted was quoting you for a brand new FAP filter, where as, any dealer worth their salt would be quoting you for an Exchange FAP, and therefore keeping the cost down to around what Scotcruz paid for his. Glad you got it sorted though, there are some great independants out there. Anyone who might be looking for a good independant in the North West area, PM me and I'll put in touch with a great guy, he's mobile, and has full Peugeot Diag equipment.
hi,
can you send me the details of the mobile guy who does the peugeot diag...
 

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I have had the same message on my 2004 peugeot for the past 6 weeks or so, peugeot in Birmingham quoted me £80 + vat just to look at it, around £300 if it needs topping up and around £800 if whole filter needs replacing. Nationawide auto centre will do it for around £45 + vat and have the equipment to do it, it does take time but better than throwing hard earned money away directly with peugeot. I taking mine in on wednesday & if it works out. I will pass on revelent details if anyone needs it.
 

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I wrote this guide for a 406 coupe 2.2 HDI but i belive the principal applies to the 407 even if the FAP is harder to get at up near the engine.



Here is a quick 'How To' for cleaning the particulate filter on the HDI.

First an explanation;
The Particulate filter is housed in a canister attached to the back of the cat on the underside of the car about level with the front seats and is designed to capture the diesel soot particles emmited from the engine to the benifit of both the environment and people's health. It is a graphite cylinder with hundreds of tiny closed ended perferations (figure 1), each perferatation is closed off at the alternate end to those surrounding it thereby forcing exhaust gasses to seep through the graphite from one perforation to another inorder to escape. Obviously these perforations would become blocked with soot in a very small time period and therefore some form of regeneration is required. Inorder to regenerate the filter the soot particles must be burnt off, this is where the fuel addative fluid comes in, it lowers the burning temperature of the soot to around 450 degrees C. As you drive along the car senses the pressure differential across the filter and therefore establishes weather regeneration is needed, if it is the car injects extra fuel on the exhaust stroke to burn in the exhaust and raise the temperature of the filter to over 450 degrees and hence burn off the soot. So far so good, but there is a problem. The flue addative fluid itsself tends to collect in the filter as a white sludge which doesn't burn off completley during re-generation and gradually restricts gas flow, it is at this time when the car flags up the 'clean particulate filter - urgent' message on the dash and the dealer will try to sell you a new filter for a huge sum. The answer is simply to clean the filter yourself; there are three ways i know of that members have used: 1) Burn the filter, 2) put neat fuel additive in the tank, or 3) Wash the filter with a pressure washer. As far as i can see methods 1 and 2 might not remove all of the addative, just the soot, i might be wrong but i belive method 3 is the way to go. I Cleaned mine about 20k miles ago using the pressure washer method and have not had the un-block message once since.


Figure 1

Tools Required:
1) A socket set
2) Spanners
3) A long breaker bar / ratchet / torque wrench
4) Pressure washer
5) Exhaust Putty

Here follows my step by step guide to removing and cleaning the filter using a pressure washer, it's actually very simple but can be made tricky by access, rusted nuts and awkward location, but should still be manageable in a few hours.


1, Get the car as high off the ground as you possibly can (both front and back), I used axle stands and ramps but wished i had made more effort as working with the underside of the car 10cm from your face is hard. A pit wouild be ideal.

2, Unscrew the small pipe, that runs from a point towards the back of the particulate filter forward towards the engine. This pipe is there to sense the pressure change accross the filter and activates the un-block warning on the dash. I found this pipe imposible to free from the filter so i released it at its forward end above the front anti-roll bar (sorry no pic) and un-screwed it from the support bracket on the side of the cat.

3, Free the exhaust from its hangers in the middle and towards the back of the car, these can be stiff but with enough wiggling they will come. The back end of the exhaust should now drop and rest on the ground. You will find access to the top 2 of the 4 bolts that secure the filter to the cat now greatly improved.

4, Un-do the 4 bolts mentioned above, these will be stiff and 'gritty' as they have been heated and exposed to road debris but will come with a big enough ratchet / braker bar (which is one reason you want the car high off the ground as you need space top swing it). Remove filter from cat making sure not to damage the gasket and note its orientation.

5, The back and middle sections of the exhaust including the filter should now be free to remove from the underside of the car. Seperate the exhaust pipe from the filter canister. The graphite filter CANNOT be removed from its canister, do not try as you will break it.

6, Aim a pressure washer directly at the graphite filter, remember to squirt in the opposite direction to exhaust flow. Lots of white goo and black soot should come out. Keep this up untill all water runs clear. Be sure to move the jet around to cover all areas of the filter. I must emphasise at this point that a standard hose will NOT do, i used one first and the water went clear so i thought i had done enough, i then used the pressure washer just to make sure and found i removed a LOT more goo than with the hose.

Some people have reported that the filter pressure sensor is very sensative to moisture and costs approx £200 to replace if damaged, it may well be worth while drying the filter over night on a radiator or similar to avoid problems.

7, Re-assemble, reverse of removal, sorry i dont know the torque figures for the various bolts. Use exhaust sealer on any standard exhaust joints you have disturbed but NOT the filter to cat connection as this has a gasket

8, Run engine gently to dry filter, alarming amounts of steam will emerge for five mins, do not race engine as exhaust joints will not be dry.

9) Have a beer and say 'well done me' as that just saved you a few hundered quid.


The pictures havent come out on my copy and paste but they relate to a 406 anyway so are not that relevent. See www.peugeot406coupe.com and go to the how to section of the forum for more info.
 

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hi my name is boni face and im having the same problem as you had, i would like to know where you went to get your car fixed coz i also live in birmingham (coleshill). if you want to contact me my email is [email protected][/email] thank you and GOD bless you.
 

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ref north west indipendant

hi jon bon you would be doing me a great favour if you could pass on the details of the guy in the north west cheers pal.
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Scotcruz is spot on Pal. Although I thought the intervals for checking the FAP system was 60k, but I'm happy to be corrected on this, lol. Anyway, I agree £1200 is astronomical, I can only assume that the dealer you contacted was quoting you for a brand new FAP filter, where as, any dealer worth their salt would be quoting you for an Exchange FAP, and therefore keeping the cost down to around what Scotcruz paid for his. Glad you got it sorted though, there are some great independants out there. Anyone who might be looking for a good independant in the North West area, PM me and I'll put in touch with a great guy, he's mobile, and has full Peugeot Diag equipment.
 

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hi buddy i live near chester and have just been reading your post could you give me the guys number as i have the same problem with the filter thanks
 

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Number for NW Peugeot Mech

JonBon said:
Scotcruz is spot on Pal. Although I thought the intervals for checking the FAP system was 60k, but I'm happy to be corrected on this, lol. Anyway, I agree £1200 is astronomical, I can only assume that the dealer you contacted was quoting you for a brand new FAP filter, where as, any dealer worth their salt would be quoting you for an Exchange FAP, and therefore keeping the cost down to around what Scotcruz paid for his. Glad you got it sorted though, there are some great independants out there. Anyone who might be looking for a good independant in the North West area, PM me and I'll put in touch with a great guy, he's mobile, and has full Peugeot Diag equipment.
Hi, Have been having problems similar problems as everyone else with particle filter would be glad if you could let me have the details so I can get in touch with the mobile guy in the North West who you mentioned. Thanks.
 

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North West Peugot Mechanic needed

Please could you send me th numbr for this chap please? Thanks

Anyone who might be looking for a good independant in the North West area, PM me and I'll put in touch with a great guy, he's mobile, and has full Peugeot Diag equipment.
 

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I am new to this great forum and i am very interested to know if i would be able to clean the 607 particulate filter the same way as i seem to be having the same problem,any advice would be helpful
Thanks Les from way down south. :confused:
 

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JonBon said:
Scotcruz is spot on Pal. Although I thought the intervals for checking the FAP system was 60k, but I'm happy to be corrected on this, lol. Anyway, I agree £1200 is astronomical, I can only assume that the dealer you contacted was quoting you for a brand new FAP filter, where as, any dealer worth their salt would be quoting you for an Exchange FAP, and therefore keeping the cost down to around what Scotcruz paid for his. Glad you got it sorted though, there are some great independants out there. Anyone who might be looking for a good independant in the North West area, PM me and I'll put in touch with a great guy, he's mobile, and has full Peugeot Diag equipment.
Any chance you could send me the details of the mobile guy email [email protected]

Cheeers
 

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Particulate filter

Hi, I am in the North West. I see you know someone here who can help with the above on my 407 1.6 hdi. Have just had a warning on the lcd that this could cost £700.00+ to repair with the fluid & that the car will stop if I dont get it done. This is ridiculous. Only done 65000 miles and have had a new clutch and flywheel, both lower front ball joints and the lcd display. This car has cost me a bomb and is turning out to be a load of utter crap!! Can you advise please? Many thanks and regards, Ray.
 
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Sounds like its either a faulty sensor, or the car hasn't been run on the correct synthetic 5w/30 low ash oil (which is very common as the correct oil is pricy and many backstreet garages are ignorent of this requirement).

If that's the case, and with the other faults you describe at such a low mileage, sounds like you have a car that's been both driven hard and not maintained very well. A good advert for a professional pre-purchase inspection if ever there was.
 

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filter blocking

Hi

I am getting a similar message. But mine is saying rick of particle emission filter blocking.

is this the same problem with the same costs.

Car is running fine only started yesterday
 

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Scotcruz is spot on Pal. Although I thought the intervals for checking the FAP system was 60k, but I'm happy to be corrected on this, lol. Anyway, I agree £1200 is astronomical, I can only assume that the dealer you contacted was quoting you for a brand new FAP filter, where as, any dealer worth their salt would be quoting you for an Exchange FAP, and therefore keeping the cost down to around what Scotcruz paid for his. Glad you got it sorted though, there are some great independants out there. Anyone who might be looking for a good independant in the North West area, PM me and I'll put in touch with a great guy, he's mobile, and has full Peugeot Diag equipment.
Hi I live near Preston can you give me the address kevin55509 THANKS
 
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