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Old 23-07-17, 10:59 AM   #1
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Anyone who's concerned about buying a diesel car should read this.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...-diesel-engine

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Anyone who's concerned about buying a diesel car should read this.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...-diesel-engine

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I don't bother to trust these reports and reviews. These are always biased and money oriented.
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I don't bother to trust these reports and reviews. These are always biased and money oriented.
That maybe so but I'm inclined to have a bit more faith in what JLR has to say than the likes of VAG for instance.
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Anyone who's concerned about buying a diesel car should read this.

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I don't trust car manufacturers or our government as they are only really serving themselves so the only thing is to do for me is do the same and choose what works for me right now and that's a diesel. The government didn't just change the rules on emissions or government funding of EV's for nothing they know the change is happening and they don't want to be out of pocket. Can I tow a caravan with an EV or a 1.2 petrol? Probably not. Is the haulage industry ready for EV's? Not on your nelly! So diesel is going to be around for a long time to come. Will my opinion change in the coming years? Very probably as EV's get better or emissions get better.
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I think the real con of diesel testing is the DPF. When the tests are done the DPF is collecting a lot of the particulates resulting in a low result. It fails to take into account that on a long journey the DPF will burn off all the crap it collected chucking that into the atmosphere.

Mind you I find the hybrid totally misleading also. A lot of people treat when on electric 0 emissions but that electric must come from somewhere and a good chance it may be a coal power station. Also what about all the crap used creating and disposing of batteries.

I am not an eco warrior but the uncertainty of diesel is why I went for petrol 5008.

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The diesel debate influenced my choice and have chosen a petrol 3008. I did think about going electric but as I live in the far north of Scotland range was a prohibiting factor.
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Modern diesels may be ok when all the emissions gubbins is working to specification, but you only have to read this site to realise that isn't as often as it should be. No-one takes that into account when comparing diesel and petrol.

My own view is that a hybrid with a hydrogen-burning engine is the way to go. No emissions other than those made when the electricity was generated (for production of the hydrogen and for topping up the battery), and that could come from wind or tide. Solves the range issue.

Big drawback - needs lots of hydrogen filling stations.
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Can I tow a caravan with an EV or a 1.2 petrol?
Yes, with the Tesla Model X, or a Mondeo with 1.0 petrol.
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Is the haulage industry ready for EV's?
Yes. Electric distribution trucks are available on the market.
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Yes, with the Tesla Model X, or a Mondeo with 1.0 petrol.Yes. Electric distribution trucks are available on the market.
Ehm the 1.0 mondeo can tow a 900kg braked trailer. There are very few caravans on the road in that sort of range. An average family outfit is around 1500kg so you'd want about 1750 towing capacity really to be on the safe side. So a 240ps 2.0 petrol would do the job as it has an 1850 capacity, but you'd likely only get 12mpg towing with it lol.
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