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Old 26-09-18, 01:10 PM   #1
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Rant time!......

It's became clear to me over the last few years, having had some car trouble (not my nice new Peugeot) that the knowledge and skill set of your average mechanic is reducing, even more so of those attached to main dealers.

Having a mechanical background, when I've had an issue with a car and taken it to a main dealer due to it being in warranty, I have naturally expected certain checks/ tests to be done.

E.g. 1 - When I encountered a sort of scraping noise when turning on a previous Seat Leon, I expected the dealer to check wheel bearings, suspension components, cv joints etc. alongside a good road test. All they did was road test for 5 mins and said there was nothing wrong.

E.g. 2 - Encountered a jerky automatic gearbox. I expected the dealer to at least check oil level/ quality, electrical connections etc. All they did was check ECU for fault codes. There was none obviously.

On both occasions I then went to a trusted, old fashioned private mechanic who diagnosed both issues within an hour. He had vast knowledge and experience and was able to competently diagnose the faults.

The current crop seem to reply on a computer telling them what's wrong.

Interested to know your thoughts.....
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Hi...sadly thats called progress....I cut my teeth on vauxhall back in the 70's..major service ;plugs,points,condensor,oil,air filter,and a rocker cover gasket.Tappetts adjusted while the engine was RUNNING....that would scare most fitters today..but those days are gone..Thank god....but now to today;How many drivers need a light to inforn them of a fault...and then IGNORE it and treat it as an inconveinence...There is also no substitute for expierience and most dealers only ever see new/ish cars...local garages is where the works done..they earn a living at it.....
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Old 26-09-18, 07:39 PM   #3
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I agree I worked on major repair at the Vauxhall Plant for a good few years and also had an old school grandad who was in REME then a mechanic who had me working on cars from about 5 and taught me everything.

When things started changing over more and more to electronic system it was difficult to tell some of these so called master mechanics i worked with that you still needed to think and use the MK1 eyeball for a lot of the fault finding, not do what the computer says.

I have seen one of the "Experts" change all ignition parts then a complete engine that was misfiring due to a bent pin in a multi plug
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I agree I worked on major repair at the Vauxhall Plant for a good few years and also had an old school grandad who was in REME then a mechanic who had me working on cars from about 5 and taught me everything.

When things started changing over more and more to electronic system it was difficult to tell some of these so called master mechanics i worked with that you still needed to think and use the MK1 eyeball for a lot of the fault finding, not do what the computer says.

I have seen one of the "Experts" change all ignition parts then a complete engine that was misfiring due to a bent pin in a multi plug
That's incredible but in a way, I suppose, you can't blame the next generation of mechanics for simply doing what they are taught (within reason), but common sense and a general mechanical knowledge needs to be at priority.

I totally agree with the above as well.....the local private garages is where the work is done and where people learn their trade properly.
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Unfortunately mechanics aren't mechanics any more. They are just 'technicians'. Gone are the days of diagnosing a fault the manual way. I suppose with the amount of electronics in a car these days it's got to head that way but the youngsters these days just don't have the common sense that a mechanic needs. My first car was a 1972 Mini. Not much to go wrong and any mechanic could fix it. These days with canbus electrics and ecu's for everything the old ways of diagnosing a fault are gone. It's only us old f*rts that remember the old ways. It takes me back to a previous life of mine when I worked as a factory maintenance engineer. We had a machine with a noisy bearing on the motor. The young lad was planning on replacing both bearings as he didn't know which was worn. I got a long screwdriver, placed the tip on one end of the motor, the handle to my ear. Did the same with the other end of the motor and then told him which bearing to replace. The young lad was amazed.
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Technicians is the perfect way to sum them up. If the computer doesn't know what's wrong a lot of them are stumped! Example; my old Renault master work van was horribly down on power. 3 times the boss took it in to be looked at and no fault was found. I went to lift it the third time and the mechanic said the same. When I asked him if he'd driven it he said no! 'But the computer says there are no faults... ' Turned out to be a split intercooler pipe which I found myself after getting fed up. Took me all of half an hour to sort once I was allowed near it.
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Technicians is the perfect way to sum them up. If the computer doesn't know what's wrong a lot of them are stumped! Example; my old Renault master work van was horribly down on power. 3 times the boss took it in to be looked at and no fault was found. I went to lift it the third time and the mechanic said the same. When I asked him if he'd driven it he said no! 'But the computer says there are no faults... ' Turned out to be a split intercooler pipe which I found myself after getting fed up. Took me all of half an hour to sort once I was allowed near it.
That sums up this whole thread mate. Beggers belief.
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have a look at any repair specialist title these days and most of them are labelled Technician...i refuse to label myself as a technician and more so that of an engineer, as i remember old school ways of how things work and that basis all of my fault finding ways and how to fix them, yes most things these days are electronics box of tricks and more often than not you can become a box changer, certainly seen that happen in the military when everything all of a sudden became electronic..soon there will be a generation of box changers and all of us old school lads will be gone and forgotten..
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It's not just the car industry either. It's the same with everything. Look at household electric items. In the past if something broke down we took it in to be repaired. There were skilled people who could fault find a problem with a radio/tv/washing machine etc. These days things are just thrown away. The same with cars. Something doesn't work, plug in the PC, change a module and throw the old one away. With all this waste what sort of state will the world be in when the current generation are our age!!
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Good old fashion fault finding in my industry at the moment with coffee machines, I carry a fluke in my bag, and my trusty screwdrivers and pliers and of course my manuals for each machine ������
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