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Old 19-01-17, 07:46 PM   #1
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Default Automatic gearbox oil change on 2.2 GT

Hello

Should I change oil in my gearbox?

Car have 175000 km (or 108739 miles) and is 12/2011 old.
I have it 4 days and don't know if it was ever changed before?
Is there any risk involved if this would be 1st oil change?
Is there anything else that would have to be changed now, if it's 1st?

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Hi Denis

I don’t think there is any risks associated with doing the oil change now – even if this is the first change. I did my change at 80.000 km., and the difference between what comes out and what they put in, is quite significant

But, this may be usefull in the process: You can’t flush the gearbox (according to my local gearbox service garage); reason:
The 508 is equipped with the Aisin-Warner AM6 gearbox. Normally (in an AM6 set-up) the gearbox oil is led out of the gearbox and into the cooler and then back to the gearbox (via in/out studs and a tube). This means you can detach the cooling tube; and connect a “gearbox-oil-flushing-machine” to the oil in/out studs and then flush the entire gearbox.

However – in the Peugeot “way-of-doing-things” the gearbox is cooled the other way around – by leading water from cooler through the gearbox and back. Therefore – you cannot use the studs for flushing. Instead oil is change “the old way” – draining gearbox of oil, new oil on, operate gears (on lift), draining again, new oil on, operate, …This is repeated until the oil coming out has a neat pink/red colour.

This came as a surprise for me based on what I could google before I sent my car to the garage. The AM6 in Peugeot 508 is not that common In Denmark, and (I guess) a lot of owners do not service their gearbox as they should…
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Hi Denis

I don’t think there is any risks associated with doing the oil change now – even if this is the first change. I did my change at 80.000 km., and the difference between what comes out and what they put in, is quite significant

But, this may be usefull in the process: You can’t flush the gearbox (according to my local gearbox service garage); reason:
The 508 is equipped with the Aisin-Warner AM6 gearbox. Normally (in an AM6 set-up) the gearbox oil is led out of the gearbox and into the cooler and then back to the gearbox (via in/out studs and a tube). This means you can detach the cooling tube; and connect a “gearbox-oil-flushing-machine” to the oil in/out studs and then flush the entire gearbox.

However – in the Peugeot “way-of-doing-things” the gearbox is cooled the other way around – by leading water from cooler through the gearbox and back. Therefore – you cannot use the studs for flushing. Instead oil is change “the old way” – draining gearbox of oil, new oil on, operate gears (on lift), draining again, new oil on, operate, …This is repeated until the oil coming out has a neat pink/red colour.

This came as a surprise for me based on what I could google before I sent my car to the garage. The AM6 in Peugeot 508 is not that common In Denmark, and (I guess) a lot of owners do not service their gearbox as they should…
thanks for the answer
do you know how much oil is used and how much did you pay for this service?
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thanks for the answer
do you know how much oil is used and how much did you pay for this service?
I paid approx 300£ (in DKK) all inclusive (but I chose based on competency and location; and could properly have found a cheaper deal - and we have higher VAT in DK than UK) .

I actually do not know how much oil was used - best guess between 7 and 10 liters.
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I doubt they'd use any more than 4 litres on a straightforward drain and refill as a lot of oil would remain in the torque convertor. They can do a full flush but that may be a bit too aggressive if not needed.
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I think it is the same box used in the 2litre which is what I have. According to the manual it is a sealed unit, and does not need the oil changed.

Speaking to an auto gearbox specialist that I trust, he recommended getting the oil checked, and changed if necessary. By checked, he would take a spot of oil out of the box and check its condition - is it still red?, is it the right consistency? If all is good, he says just to leave it. If the oil is not good e.g. dark in colour he recommends changing it. He reckoned 5 litres max as much will remain in the TC, and approx £150 plus VAT for oil and labour. Its not Dexron 3, but something more specialised, and more expensive.
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Today i got quote from official Peugeot dealer and service garage near my town and it will cost me 150€ to change oil, but will ask to change it twice and pay extra

Changing timing belt, water pump, etc. will cost me 420€

I will take day of and watch what they do in garage
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Just for fun: I got a little present from my garage when they where finished changing oil in the gearbox (see attached photo)

Guess what bottle contain oil going in and oil coming out

And yes - Peugeot states that the gearbox is maintenance free for life - but when you hear that, try and see if the same guy will issue you a 100% guarantee on the gearbox in the same amount of time...
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Just for fun: I got a little present from my garage when they where finished changing oil in the gearbox (see attached photo)

Guess what bottle contain oil going in and oil coming out

And yes - Peugeot states that the gearbox is maintenance free for life - but when you hear that, try and see if the same guy will issue you a 100% guarantee on the gearbox in the same amount of time...
How many oil changes (flushes) did they do 1, 2, 3, ... and how many miles was previous oil in the gearbox?
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Just for fun: I got a little present from my garage when they where finished changing oil in the gearbox (see attached photo)

Guess what bottle contain oil going in and oil coming out

And yes - Peugeot states that the gearbox is maintenance free for life - but when you hear that, try and see if the same guy will issue you a 100% guarantee on the gearbox in the same amount of time...
Have you noticed any difference in the way the gearbox performs now the oil has been changed?
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