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Old 22-03-12, 01:10 PM   #1
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Hello forumites. I just wondered how many Peugeot owners use the spanner symbol on the dash as an the indicator of when to service their cars. My wife has just been told she needs a new engine at 42,000 miles in a two and a half year old car and as the servicing was not done at the correct mileages, is not covered by the three year warranty. We bought the car second hand from a main dealer who overran the first service by 600 miles and we did the same so that cumulatively we were quite adrift by the third service. Peugeot UK will not allow any deviation from service intervals. We do not use the main dealer for servicing as their prices are unaffordable for us but use a Citreon specialist and needless to say anything they have put in or on the car is unacceptable as well. We have only had Peugeots or Citreons for 20 years, but will now be looking for a vehicle that doesn't rely on electronics to make it go, ie something old! Any ideas!
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Old 22-03-12, 03:25 PM   #2
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My Astra is a bit more sensible - relies on electronics but it isn't ridiculous.
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Old 22-03-12, 03:50 PM   #3
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how come she has told she needs a new engine?? she snapped a timing belt??

most cars from around 2000 all use electronic sensors so if you want one without all that, your looking at a banger.



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Steady on John, I was going to suggest my Renault 9 but its sulking now. Its 1994 and has 18 months mot left. It is gas/benzine but a test drive might be expensive where its kept at present.



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Old 22-03-12, 08:07 PM   #5
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so it's ok for peugeot to miss out by 600 miles but you cant? shouldnt matter as its only a guide.
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They all talk big with warranties and promises until its time for them to cough up, then they go deaf. Its a very low mileage to warrant an engine change though, what on earth's happened to it?



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Old 22-03-12, 08:33 PM   #7
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Yes, it's lowish mileage but it's missed a service and the 3 it has received have been late. These motors are also very sensitive to the correct oil, and the fact that someone couldn't be arsed to service it on time (or even at all in one case) make sit highly likely that when it did finally receive some attention that it was done on the cheap, nasty oil of the wrong grade (5w/30 fully synth low ash is essential, not desiarble, but essential - Ford even send oil off for analysis before authorising claims on the same engine in their cars, that's how rampant the problem of cheapness is with maintaining these motors)

TBH, in all my years as a consumer, and my few short years on the spanners, I've very little first hand experience of manufacturers warranty companies, or aftermarket mechanical breakdown insurers not coughing up when something is genuinely covered and there is no dispute about the cause.

Sure, it happens, but it's bigged up hugely.

HGF - failed on my 207 - duly replaced without argument (turned out I disliked to 207 anyway, so I sold it, so that's by the by)

The well documented faults with my 1st 3008 - rust, turbo failure, rough running, bits coming off in my hand, Peugeot positively raced to fix all the faults, and when i lost my rag and rejected it there was little hassle getting it replaced.

When the handbake button broke in my 2nd 3008, even though i think I actually broke it myself with my hamfisted persistent faffing about with it , fixed swiftly, smoothly, without so much as a murmur on the warranty front.

Similar stories with my Suburau and BMW - as faults arose, they were fixed without complaint.

By far a clear majority of people are satisfied, and such generalisations are not only unture, but serve to do nothing but confuse the situation and divert attention from the genuine problem at hand - getting ones motor fixed. Of the cases that do remain, by far the majority are in some way down to someone somewhere fecking something up with the mainetenance or the schedule somewhere in the cars life.

I'm not sure blaming electronics is any way of diverting attention from the penny pinching maintenance. If yopu dont want something covered in sensors then buy and old nacker, a bicycle, and then go live in a cave and treat your ilnesses with leeches while you're about it.

Moral of the story - you may think you can't afford proper by-the-book servicing, but this example illustrates beautifully that you can't afford not to.

Now, I'm off to save money on my heating bills by setting fire to my house to keep warm...

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Moral of the story - you may think you can't afford proper by-the-book servicing, but this example illustrates beautifully that you can't afford not to.

Now, I'm off to save money on my heating bills by setting fire to my house to keep warm...

Obviously a main dealer in the making! I can't see where I said that a service was missed. I suppose taking the car to a Citreon specialist is our crime here and we fully accept that. The point of my post is to point out that the spanner warning on the dash should be treated with extreme cation if services are late as the effect is cumulative.
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Old 23-03-12, 06:48 AM   #9
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Well if you missed the service by 600 miles each time it doesn't add up "cumulatively" as you say. The first one was missed by 600 miles. Then the next one was missed by 600 miles (was it the interval or mileage since last service?).

If the car had missed it by the book by 600 miles each time then it was done regularly. 600 miles is nothing and if Peugeot engines are that sensitive then I will never go back to them.

Anyway, who told you that you need a new engine? Has the car completely stopped?
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Old 23-03-12, 08:49 AM   #10
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600 miles is exactly 100 miles beyond the warranty tolerance. You enter into a contract re the warranty when you buy the car, tough tit when you break it and they keep their wallet closed if you didnt maintain your obligations. In any case, how late we're the services? 12.5k miles intervals, its possible this car has gone several thousand miles past one of them.

And virtually all small bore high out put motors from everyone are sensitive to lube now. As emissions laws force manufacturers to use ever smaller engines, but the public demand no drop in performance, then this is going to become increasingly prevalent. Can you see the new 1.0 litre 125 BHP Focus engine being happy to miss services or be done late, even by a small margin?
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