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Old 14-06-13, 02:18 PM   #1
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Hello all, after a new motor (Pug Virgin) & quite like the look of the 308 1.6 Sport VTI (120). got a short commute so Diesels wasted on me but was after a bit of info on the 1.6 (120) unit, Decent motor? pull? any issues to watch out for? high mileage a problem?.

Nice looking car and reseaonable prices looking at 5k and under so may have to go for higher than average mileage.

Coming from a MK4 1.8T golf that is too thirsty & Road Tax becoming an issue so prepared to take a drop in horses for saving some dosh but 120hp sounds resonable enough - in practise?

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I have the 1.6 VTI 120 engine in my 3008 which is a much heavier car than the 308 and it performs well for my needs, I'm not a speed merchant but it will go if you want it to! The engine is a joint venture by Peugeot and BMW, it has a solid flywheel and a proper timing chain rather than a belt. Also, service interval is 20,000 miles or two years.
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Interesting that you mention the timing chain...
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Interesting that you mention the timing chain...
Go on then...
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Timing gear is the classic problem point on this unit. Worse on the turbos, but still apparent on the NA versions. So bad that in the US owners are bringing a class action against MINI and in France DS 3 owners as petitioning the government to intervene and make PSA stop ignoring them.

It's also worth noting pug are dropping the NA versions of this engine from the range, so if you're buying new it could be a good time to snap up a cheap end of the line example.

ITV is a rare wise man, eschewing a diesel for short journeys. Much, much cheaper with petrol in th long term for his type.of motoring.
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Timing gear is the classic problem point on this unit. Worse on the turbos, but still apparent on the NA versions. So bad that in the US owners are bringing a class action against MINI and in France DS 3 owners as petitioning the government to intervene and make PSA stop ignoring them.

It's also worth noting pug are dropping the NA versions of this engine from the range, so if you're buying new it could be a good time to snap up a cheap end of the line example.
So avoid high mileage cars.....
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Years ago I was dating a girl who's 207GT suffered after only 7 or 8,000 miles. Problem is the fault crops up and PSA know full well has it is and know it's going to cost a bomb, so they try to nurse the car along towards the expiration of warranty period with software updates to try and overcome the fractionally skewiff cam timing which is picked up by the various sensors, and then confuses the ECU causing the rough running. It's rare they'll authorise the dealer to spunk out on the require New timing gear.

Its a great engine when it's working, but compared to a similar unit from Chunda or Poxhaul it's about as trustworthy as Charles Bronson in a cell with a kiddie fiddler. The engine is much more numerous in MINIs so do a Binglehoo search and see what you think. As I mentioned elsewhere recently, it's the one engine most pug techs probably wouldn't own, and daresay pug can't wait to get shot of it for their new turbo triples. Tis what happens when you let a German manufacturer redesign a perfectly good, if aged, TU series motor.
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Timing gear is the classic problem point on this unit. Worse on the turbos, but still apparent on the NA versions. So bad that in the US owners are bringing a class action against MINI and in France DS 3 owners as petitioning the government to intervene and make PSA stop ignoring them.

It's also worth noting pug are dropping the NA versions of this engine from the range, so if you're buying new it could be a good time to snap up a cheap end of the line example.

ITV is a rare wise man, eschewing a diesel for short journeys. Much, much cheaper with petrol in th long term for his type.of motoring.
Like ITV, I only do short journeys, that's why I went for petrol. Mine has done 10,000 miles and has about 19 months left on the warranty. I would think that as it's not a service item the timing chain would be covered by the warranty?
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It is, but odds on they'll try and fob you with the software wheeze I mentioned above.
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right...........put off I am will have a search, A freind of mine did have a cooper S Mini & had a few issues with engine/cam chain that was a superchrged model (07ish) BMW/Mini played him over that one iirc but it's still going, didn't realise it was such a cross model unit
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