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Old 23-01-18, 04:21 PM   #1
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Hi all,

Have a 2008 207 1.4 vti (EP3 engine) which as you might know makes a ticking noise when idling. Now all of sudden this has got noticeably louder and the car also sounds rough (like a tractor) for first 5 seconds or so of driving.

Is there anything i could check to diagnose what the problem might be before taking it to the garage?

Other info.

- There is no fault codes showing up
- The car had a new genuine timing chain kit inc. dephaser pulleys and solenoid less than 10k miles ago.

Thanks
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Old 23-01-18, 09:17 PM   #2
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I would normally say the chain tensioner.
It was changed with chain yes?
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Old 24-01-18, 12:35 AM   #3
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with what camshaft locking tools was the job done with? eBay 50 quid ones, laser, Peugeot?

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Old 24-01-18, 08:25 AM   #4
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Hi Greegor,

I'm not sure if the tensioner was changed along with the chain. On the invoice it just says genuine timing chain kit, with the recommendation i had the dephaser pulleys replaced which i had done at main dealers a month or so later.

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Again i'm not sure what locking tool was used. It was an independent company that did the chain but one that has a very good reputation. But can't say for sure.

Do you know how much it would cost to have the tensioner replaced? and can you point me in the direction of the correct part? Thanks
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Apologies if had asked before, its just the main issue with the timing on these timing chains.

Having used the ebay ones, the Laser one and the proper Peugeot tool, I am always sceptical when comes to garages doing timing work on these engines, no matter how well recommended they are or they say "yes course we can do the job", end of the day that's just their sales pitch to get you to book the car in.

Same with the "timing kit" there isn't such a thing, there are various parts that are used depending on what your doing with the timing and what you find regarding the timing when measuring it.

The tensioner itself..... is open to subjection. For example the tensioner for the THP version of the engine in the 207 is currently 89 believe it or not!!! Then you will see on ebay the Febi ones probably, and they might be around 30 give or take. What we use on the THP is one from BMW and we never had an issue with it, unlike the Peugeot one where its failed a couple of times.

For the EP3 engine, without checking with your VIN, it looks like its the same old tensioner code that we had with the THP, 0829G3, which has now been superseded on the THP engine, but still showing on the EP3 when look at it. Therefore the BMW one which is far cheaper btw, may well do the job.

Timewise you would be looking at 1.8 hours for replacing a tensioner on a standard set up car if doing it properly and then able to check the timing while engine cover etc is off.
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Apologies if had asked before, its just the main issue with the timing on these timing chains.

Having used the ebay ones, the Laser one and the proper Peugeot tool, I am always sceptical when comes to garages doing timing work on these engines, no matter how well recommended they are or they say "yes course we can do the job", end of the day that's just their sales pitch to get you to book the car in.

Same with the "timing kit" there isn't such a thing, there are various parts that are used depending on what your doing with the timing and what you find regarding the timing when measuring it.

The tensioner itself..... is open to subjection. For example the tensioner for the THP version of the engine in the 207 is currently 89 believe it or not!!! Then you will see on ebay the Febi ones probably, and they might be around 30 give or take. What we use on the THP is one from BMW and we never had an issue with it, unlike the Peugeot one where its failed a couple of times.

For the EP3 engine, without checking with your VIN, it looks like its the same old tensioner code that we had with the THP, 0829G3, which has now been superseded on the THP engine, but still showing on the EP3 when look at it. Therefore the BMW one which is far cheaper btw, may well do the job.

Timewise you would be looking at 1.8 hours for replacing a tensioner on a standard set up car if doing it properly and then able to check the timing while engine cover etc is off.
Thanks, appreciate and agree with what you are saying re sales pitch.

Do you have the code for the BMW tensioner you mentioned?

Will it be possible for a mechanic to tell if the tensioner needs replacing just by taking off the engine cover and inspecting it? and for damage to the chain itself?

The noise isn't that loud at the moment (nowhere near some of the 'timing chain death rattle' videos around on youtube for this car) which is why i want to do something before it gets worse.

Also is there a chance it is not the tensioner/chain and something to do with the tappets? as it seems to be the usual ticking noise you get on this engine but just louder.

Sorry if i'm asking stupid questions but as you can probably tell i know nothing about cars!
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tbh the only way to say yes or no to issues with tensioner or chain or any other components in the timing mechanism is to have the crankshaft pegged, engine cover off, Peugeot locking camshaft tool set in place and inspect from there.

if a chain was mega mega loose you would be able to see once the engine cover came off but I suspect that's no the case.

these engines are always noisey, just the characteristic of them, if I did a video of mine on start up most people would say timing was out and chain was loose but its checked when do work on the car and know its bang on.

the tensioner itself if faulty would either come out in various pieces or be very very easy to push down on, but that tends to be on high mileage components.

if I was yourself with the concern you have, I would take it back to the garage, explain your concern and ask them to check the timing and have show you their findings.

The common thing is to think must be tensioner if hear a noise from the engine timing side, but it could be various other things or nothing at all.

Have seen 3 people over the years owning a 207 say oh its the tensioner, I will just change it, so bang on they go with a 27mm spanner, take it out, fire in a new one, and within 3 days of driving all 3 lads had blown there engines!
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tbh the only way to say yes or no to issues with tensioner or chain or any other components in the timing mechanism is to have the crankshaft pegged, engine cover off, Peugeot locking camshaft tool set in place and inspect from there.

if a chain was mega mega loose you would be able to see once the engine cover came off but I suspect that's no the case.

these engines are always noisey, just the characteristic of them, if I did a video of mine on start up most people would say timing was out and chain was loose but its checked when do work on the car and know its bang on.

the tensioner itself if faulty would either come out in various pieces or be very very easy to push down on, but that tends to be on high mileage components.

if I was yourself with the concern you have, I would take it back to the garage, explain your concern and ask them to check the timing and have show you their findings.

The common thing is to think must be tensioner if hear a noise from the engine timing side, but it could be various other things or nothing at all.

Have seen 3 people over the years owning a 207 say oh its the tensioner, I will just change it, so bang on they go with a 27mm spanner, take it out, fire in a new one, and within 3 days of driving all 3 lads had blown there engines!
Thanks for the info.

So basically a trip to the dealers is the only way to know for sure? (as they will be the only ones with the tool)

I can't take back to the garage who did the timing chain as they are 300 miles away.

One other thing is this has only started about a week after doing an oil and filter change, which is why i was asking about tappets etc.
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pretty much Yeh or if a Peugeot specialist near you has the tool or can borrow from dealership.

was the work carried out on the car before u purchased the car if was so far away ?

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pretty much Yeh or if a Peugeot specialist near you has the tool or can borrow from dealership.

was the work carried out on the car before u purchased the car if was so far away ?

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No i was visiting family and it broke down.

Thanks again for the advice.
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