Citroen Xsara Picasso help needed with fault

[mrpaul]

Sorry, if posted in wrong place. I was welcomed by one of the mods to stay on here for help with my Citroen. Previously owned a 307HDI, didn't think I should post in the 307 forum.

Anyhow back to my fault. Owned the car for about a month. Noticed every now and then, I feel a sudden loss of power...more of a stutter really. Thought it may of need a bit of a blast on the motorway, so last week drove to Cornwall from Weston and back. Still have loss though. I have PP2000 and Lexia. The only fault showing in there is P1351. Looked around some are saying possible glow plug fault. I clear the code, re start the car, and code instantly logs back. I'm not a mechanic, but have know to dabble with clear instructions. Can anyone confirm this could be the cause for my slight stutter in power, and any idea how to repair the P1351 problem?

Many thanks for your time.

Paul
110hp Picasso Exclusive 2004 (04) 1.6hdi

[mcdig]

P1351 is for the glow plugs, this is taken from a Picasso forum I frequent. It should not be the cause of your stutter in power.
Solution For Error Codes - Citroen Picasso Owners Club

[philkerman]

Any particular set of circumstances that allow you to reproduce the stutter consistently?

Like for example, I could come to a rolling stop around 2/3mph and boot it in 1st and without fail my car would loose all power for a second.

Phil

[bettyswollocks]

Could be air in fuel system , does it give a stutter on start up first thing in the morning?

[mrpaul]

Hi all.
Thanks for the replies.
I have read this code leads to a glow plugs, but don't know much about plugs. Should I put a new complete set in? Or if it's just one at fault, how would I know which one?

@philkerman & bettyswollocks. It does not seem to do it at slow speeds is all I can say so far. I would say mainly on acceleration or higher speeds. I will pay more attention to it's characteristics and try and provide more info. I thought maybe a turbo fault as it seem to happen when I need more speed from the car. Felt it too up hills. I had the car serviced recently and had all filters and oil changed ect. Believe fuel filter was changed too, so not sure if any air was left in there. Wouldn't know how to bleed the fuel system. That would make sense though to the stutter, the car kind of pulls back and quite noticeable. I was sure an error code would of been logged, but I don't get any engine light at all come on, and only the P1351 code is logged.

Many thanks

[stvstx]

Check them with a multi-meter. but make sure you unplug the glow plug relay or unscrew each one at a time. Expect around 5 ohms. the duff one will be much higher.
you can change the lot but genuine ones are around 20quid a go unless you can source them elsewhere. don't be tempted to fit anything other O.E plugs they don't last!! (NGK,Bosch or Beru only)

[mrpaul]

Originally Posted by stvstx

Check them with a multi-meter. but make sure you unplug the glow plug relay or unscrew each one at a time. Expect around 5 ohms. the duff one will be much higher.
you can change the lot but genuine ones are around 20quid a go unless you can source them elsewhere. don't be tempted to fit anything other O.E plugs they don't last!! (NGK,Bosch or Beru only)

Ok thank you stvstx. I do have a multi-meter. I'm not a mechanic and a real novice with solving the faults. Always willing to have a go though and learn from the experience. Will have to read up on how to do this over the net. Don't have the Haynes for my Picasso as yet. If all glow plugs readings are correct, then maybe it will be this glow plug relay...not sure what it is or what it looks like
Need to do some hard research!!
Thanks again

[davidireland]

Originally Posted by mrpaul

Hi all.
Thanks for the replies.
I have read this code leads to a glow plugs, but don't know much about plugs. Should I put a new complete set in? Or if it's just one at fault, how would I know which one?

@philkerman & bettyswollocks. It does not seem to do it at slow speeds is all I can say so far. I would say mainly on acceleration or higher speeds. I will pay more attention to it's characteristics and try and provide more info. I thought maybe a turbo fault as it seem to happen when I need more speed from the car. Felt it too up hills. I had the car serviced recently and had all filters and oil changed ect. Believe fuel filter was changed too, so not sure if any air was left in there. Wouldn't know how to bleed the fuel system. That would make sense though to the stutter, the car kind of pulls back and quite noticeable. I was sure an error code would of been logged, but I don't get any engine light at all come on, and only the P1351 code is logged.

Many thanks

Massive problem on the 1.6 hdi, glow plugs. You will need to replace all of them.
Make sure whoever is replacing them they are aware that they can break in the head very easily.
They will not cause running problems but will not allow the car to do a regeneration if not all working. That is if your car has a particle filter. You will know by your chassis number, 9hy is no particle filter and 9hz is particle filter.

[mrpaul]

Originally Posted by davidireland

Massive problem on the 1.6 hdi, glow plugs. You will need to replace all of them.
Make sure whoever is replacing them they are aware that they can break in the head very easily.
They will not cause running problems but will not allow the car to do a regeneration if not all working. That is if your car has a particle filter. You will know by your chassis number, 9hy is no particle filter and 9hz is particle filter.

Many thanks for this reply. I may get main dealer to do glow plugs to save the worry of breaking them...thanks for the tip

I thought too my car had auto wipers, but I cannot find how to action this at all!

Mine is the 9hy so no particle filter. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. I only found out the other day no filter, after adding my vin to citroen parts site. Here's full details from Citroen, sorry it's lengthy:

Vehicle family XSARA PICASSO

PRODUCT TYPE CAR
COMMERCIAL MARQUE/COMPONENT TYPE CITROEN
VEHICLE FAMILY XSARA PICASSO
SILHOUETTE FAMILY SALOON
TRIM LEVEL HIGH MEDIUM PLUS
ENGINE DIESEL TURBO DV6TED4 WITHOUT FAP
TRANSMISSION BVM5
PAINT TYPE METALLIC PAINTWORK
BODY COLOUR EYP - PAINT - STORM GREY
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE CLOTH FRIDA + ALCANTARA + DAIM "SN"
UPHOLSTERY COLOUR "FR"
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) BE4-5L MANUAL GEARBOX
ENGINE (TYPE) EV/DV
BADGE WITHOUT BADGE


Vehicle characteristics

TRIM LEVEL HIGH MEDIUM PLUS
PAINT TYPE METALLIC PAINTWORK
BODY COLOUR EYP - PAINT - STORM GREY
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE CLOTH FRIDA + ALCANTARA + DAIM "SN"
UPHOLSTERY COLOUR "FR"
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) BE4-5L MANUAL GEARBOX
STEERING POWER STEERING
SPEEDOMETER DRIVE TACHO TORQUE 22X18


Fuel supply-Engine

ENGINE DIESEL TURBO DV6TED4 WITHOUT FAP
DIESEL FILTER WATER DETECTOR WITHOUT DIESEL FILTER WATER DETECTOR
CYLINDER BLOCK (MATERIAL) CRANKCASE ALUMINIUM
FUEL DIESEL FUEL
EMISSIONS STANDARD (ENGINE) EEC 2000 DEPOLL (ENGINE)
ENGINE (TYPE) EV/DV
OIL COOLER WITHOUT OIL-WATER DISTR CHAMB
COOLING MOTOR RADIATOR TH : 32 - 21 DM2 BRAZED ALUMINIUM
CRANKCASE GAS CIRCUIT HEATING W/O HEATER CASING GAS CIRCUIT
POWER VARIATION (ENGINE) STANDARD POWER
EOBD SELF-DIAGNOSIS SYSTEM "EOBD" AUTO-DIAGNOSTIC WITHOUT ACCELEROMETER
DEVICE (ANTIPOLLUTION) "EGR" EXHAUST GAS RECYCLING
VEHICLE TECHNICAL DEPOLLUTION L4 VEHICLE TECHNICAL DEPOLLUTION
PARTICLE FILTER WITHOUT PARTICLE FILTER
FAN 1 ELECTRONIC FAN INTEGRAL CTRL 140W
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH
THROTTLE HOUSING (ENGINE INLET AIR CIRCUIT) WITHOUT THROTTLE HOUSING (INTAKE AIR ENGINE)


Gearbox-Driveshafts

TRANSMISSION BVM5
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) BE4-5L MANUAL GEARBOX
FINAL DRIVE RATIO REAR AXLE HYPOID GEARSET 19 X 70
SPEEDOMETER DRIVE TACHO TORQUE 22X18
WHEEL STYLE 15 INCH MELBOURNE WHEEL
CLUTCH HYDRAULIC CLUTCH
SEAL, WHEEL END WHEEL-SIDE JOINT DIAM 17 5
SEAL, DIFFERENTIAL END AXLE-SIDE JOINT JB2A
DIFFERENTIAL (GEARBOX) DIFFERENTIAL 84
TYRE (SIZE, TYPE) 185X65X15 H TYRES
WHEEL (TYPE) ALLOY WHEELS
GEARBOX TYPE GEARBOX BE4R


Suspension-Steering-Brakes

ABS WITH ABS BRAKES
REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR DIAM 21
STEERING POWER STEERING
FRONT ANTI-ROLL BAR FRONT ANTI-ROLL BAR DIAM 21
BRAKE TYPE VENTILATED FRONT DISCS/REAR DISCS
SUSPENSION NORMAL SUSPENSION
DYNAMIC STABILITY CONTROL SYSTEM ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM
BRAKE ASSOCIATED VARIANT ESP BOSCH 5 7


Body fittings

TOWBAR WITHOUT TOWBAR
WHEEL EMBELLISHER (STYLE) MELBOURNE STYLE
ADDITIONAL SHIELD (UNDER ENGINE) W/O ENGINE UNDERSHELDING
EXT. REARVIEW MIRROR COMP. FUNCTION EXT MIRROR ELECTRIC-FOLD BACK
WINDSCREEN WIPER FRONT WIPER BLADE W/O RAIN SENSOR
FRONT PANEL BLANK WITHOUT FRONT BUMPER PLUG
LUGGAGE RACK WITHOUT ROOF BARS
FRONT FOGLAMP FRONT FOG LIGHTS
EXTERIOR ACCESSORIES PAINTED EXT HANDLES+SIDE MOULDINGS+EXT MIRRORS
SUN ROOF SUNROOF CONCEALABLE
BUMPER TRIM BODY COLOUR BUMPER STRIP
GLASS (APPEARANCE) TINTED + OVER-TINTED


Interior fittings

INTERIOR TRIM TYPE CLOTH FRIDA + ALCANTARA + DAIM "SN"
REAR SEAT 3 SEPARATE REAR SEATS (3 SLIDING)
REAR SEATBELT REAR 3-POINT 3 INERTIA REEL SEAT BELT
FRONT SEATBELT PYROTECHNIC SEAT BELT WITHOUT ALARM
CLIMATE (AMBIENT TEMP) TEMPERATE COUNTRIES
SPEED GRADUATIONS GRADUATION MPH
CONSOLE WITHOUT CONSOLE
DRIVING POSITION RIGHT HAND DRIVE
ADDITIONAL HEATING WITHOUT ADDITIONNAL HEATING
DASHBOARD EQUIPMENT CAPPING V098 + PAINTED FRONT PANEL
LOUDSPEAKER MOUNTING 4 LOUDSPEAKERS + 2 TWEETERS
RADIO CONTROLS REMOTE RADIO CONTROL
SCREENING (BLIND, SIDE SUNBLIND, SUNROOF) MANUAL REAR BLIND
FRONT SEAT ARMREST FITTED WITH ARMREST
COMPACT DISC WITHOUT COMPACT DISC
SATELLITE NAVIGATION SYSTEM WITHOUT NAVIGATION SYSTEM
REAR WINDOW LIFT ELECT CNTRL RR WINDOW LIFTR
HEATING ELEMENT NON HEATED SEAT
FRONT LATERAL AIRBAG DOUBLE FRONT LATERAL AIRBAG
REAR PASSENGER PROTECTION W/O RR PASSENGER PROTECTION
ADDITIONAL AIR CONDITIONING WITHOUT ADDITIONAL AIR CONDITIONING
EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (HEATED) HEATED DOOR MIRROR
AIRBAG DEACTIVATION MANUAL AIRBAG DEACTIVATION
RADIO RECEIVER "RD3" RDS COMPACT DISC AUDIO SYSTEM
REFRIGERATION AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONING
CRUISE CONTROL SPEED CONTROL
LOAD SPACE STORAGE REMOVABLE LOADING RUNNER + NET
OBSTACLE DETECTION SYSTEM OBSTACLE DETECTOR
TRIM ADAPTATION GEAR LEVER KNOB CHROME INSERT
STEERING WHEEL LEATHER STEERINGWHEEL
FAN 1 ELECTRONIC FAN INTEGRAL CTRL 140W


Electrical

ALTERNATOR ALTERNATOR 150 AMP
BATTERY BATTERY L2 400
STARTER MOTOR STARTER MOTOR CL 5
SPECIAL LIGHTING AUTOMATIC HEADLAMP ILLUMINATION
EXT. REARVIEW MIRROR COMP. FUNCTION EXT MIRROR ELECTRIC-FOLD BACK
MULTIPLEXING MULTIPLEXING ASSEMBLY CAN VAN
FRONT FOGLAMP FRONT FOG LIGHTS


Component manufacturers

BRAKE ASSOCIATED VARIANT ESP BOSCH 5 7
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH


Miscellaneous

SPECIAL SPECIFICATION STANDARD
ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS NORMAL ATMOSPHERE
DRIVING POSITION RIGHT HAND DRIVE
EXTERIOR ACCESSORIES PAINTED EXT HANDLES+SIDE MOULDINGS+EXT MIRRORS
SLAVE CONTROL UNIT BSI COMM 2000

[davidireland]

Oh if its 9HY, don't worry too much about the heater plugs.